Compassionate Islam?

[bernee51]

Is this yet another example of Allah the Compassionate...

Pakistani mother of three sentenced to death for blasphemy for supposedly blaspheming the "Prophet" after her offers of bringing water to Muslims was rejected on the grounds that she was a Christian.

1. Should Islam throw of the yoke of such ridiculous laws as as blasphemy? Can it?

2. Where is the compassion and acceptance within this medieval abomination of a beleif system?

[Kuan]

Yes you would change from Murad the couch potato to Murad the marathon runner.

You see; you just said it: "couch potato"; that is a label.
Sorry; as i said its a matter of perception; what you see as a characteristic & an attribute of God; i dont.

You take my little jokes and asides to seriously.

Let me put it this way.

A long time ago i was not a parent – I had certain characteristics. Then I became a father – it changed me in very fundamental ways.

Once I was bernee51 “who had not had children� then I changed to “bernee51 who had children�

I was not the same after I ‘created’ kids.

How can you say that god was the same after he had created an entire universe and all that came with it.

You were the same, at least in my view. The verbs and context you take it in changes the meaning. You "had not had" which to me sounds like it had not happened yet.

[Burninglight]

The people of these countries had their own idea's & perceptions regarding Sharia Law. So, true sharia cannot be established unless it is put in place by the Khilafah.

I agree, if I may jump in, but the Khilafah decides subjectively how the Quran will be interpreted. There are different schools of thought. The Quran, however, can be interpreted to be compassionate and peaceful or not be. Unlike the Quran, the Bible doesn't have such flexibility. We are commanded to love even our enemies and pray for those who despitefully use us.

The Quran tells Muslims if the enemy inclines toward peace so should the Muslim; so, the Muslim can incline toward peace, but if the Mulsim has the upper hand on the enemy, he is not to weaken and call for peace;in fact, he is then even allowed to make them pay the Jizyah with willing submission, until they are made to feel humbled or subdued. And if they don't submit, does sharia allow for compassion and peace?

IMO, compassionate, peaceful Islam is an oxymoron. Today in the middle east especially, if anyone critcizes Islam, the orthordox Muslim will severely punish that person, but that doesn't happen in Christianity. Let's call a spade a spade a religion is as it does!

[Haven]

IMO, compassionate, peaceful Islam is an oxymoron. Today in the middle east especially, if anyone critcizes Islam, the orthordox Muslim will severely punish that person, but that doesn't happen in Christianity. Let's call a spade a spade a religion is as it does!

Keep in mind that it was not always that way with Christianity. During the late middle ages and early modern period, people could be killed (often in torturous ways) simply for expressing a contrary (to those in power) opinion on Christian doctrine. For example, early protestant leader John Calvin had Michael Servetus burned at the stake for the "crime" of questioning the doctrine of the Trinity! The Spanish Inquisition had numerous individuals tortured and killed for the "crime" of "heresy."

There was a time when Christianity was just as violent as certain sects of Islam are today, and there was a time when the Muslim world was the beacon of scholarship.

[Burninglight]

IMO, compassionate, peaceful Islam is an oxymoron. Today in the middle east especially, if anyone critcizes Islam, the orthordox Muslim will severely punish that person, but that doesn't happen in Christianity. Let's call a spade a spade a religion is as it does!

Keep in mind that it was not always that way with Christianity. During the late middle ages and early modern period, people could be killed (often in torturous ways) simply for expressing a contrary (to those in power) opinion on Christian doctrine. For example, early protestant leader John Calvin had Michael Servetus burned at the stake for the "crime" of questioning the doctrine of the Trinity! The Spanish Inquisition had numerous individuals tortured and killed for the "crime" of "heresy."

There was a time when Christianity was just as violent as certain sects of Islam are today, and there was a time when the Muslim world was the beacon of scholarship.

Good point, so are you saying islam is still in the dark ages? I agree that these things happened in Christianity, but they weren't getting their ideas and or teachings from Jesus Christ who taught to love your enemy and who came to fufill the Scriptures.
Besides, we are referring to the present time not the past. What you speak of was committed by sinners who were nominal Christians. Islam, on the other hand, has this life style built into its doctrine; so, it will never change for them or those around them unless they get out of that religion.
Even in the OT God did horrible things to unbelievers, but unlike Allah, God never said, "go and do likewise." Things that come to mind in the Quran are "...Kill the infidel wherever you find him..." Muslims will say to kill an innocent person is to kill the world, but who is innocent to Muslims is based on their subjective interpretation of the Quran. Allah says if Muslims have the upper hand to not make peace with the unbeliever; instead, you should tax and humiliate them.
There is no such thing as love unbelievers in the Quran. Love is God's greatest attribute; in fact, God is Love. How many times is that mentioned or demonstrated in the Quran?

[Burninglight]

Is this yet another example of Allah the Compassionate...

What does God have to do with this?
I dont think you mocking Quranic verses is helping you here?

Pakistani mother of three sentenced to death for blasphemy for supposedly blaspheming the "Prophet" after her offers of bringing water to Muslims was rejected on the grounds that she was a Christian.

That is the most ridiculous story i've heard; why on earth is a non-muslim touching a water bowl blasphemy?
Its a case of idiotic judges with with pseudo sharia.

1. Should Islam throw of the yoke of such ridiculous laws as as blasphemy? Can it?

You should not restrict Islam to Pakistan. There are many schools of thought within Islamic Theology; that all have different fatwa(religious opinion).
I suggest you research into the schools of thought; and see why many people disagree with Osama Bin Laden.
Sharia varies; currently there is no absolute Sharia; go compare Indonesia's Sharia to Saudi Arabia's.
That is why we have such a thing as 'Schools of Thought'.
Once the Khilafah re-emerges; then true Sharia will be established.

Islamic jurists later formulated the concept that all classes were subject to the law of the land, and no person is above the law; officials and private citizens alike have a duty to obey the same law. Furthermore, a Qadi (Islamic judge) was not allowed to discriminate on the grounds of religion, race, colour, kinship or prejudice. In a number of cases, Caliphs had to appear before judges as they prepared to render their verdict.[56]

2. Where is the compassion and acceptance within this medieval abomination of a beleif system?

Dont judge Islam for what man has made it; look at the history of Islam; research the Golden age.
Under the Islamic Khilafah; Jews & Christians were able to live in peace.
Now compare that to the muslims living under the crusades; or muslims living under ancient Jewish rule.

Medieval Islamic world

In the early centuries of the Islamic Caliphate, the Islamic law allowed citizens to freely express their views, including criticism of Islam and religious authorities, without fear of persecution.[14][15][16][17] As such, there have been several notable Muslim critics and skeptics of Islam that arose from within the Islamic world itself.

God has nothing to do with it. A better question to ask is what does God have to do with Islam or it's sharia?

[Burninglight]

IMO, compassionate, peaceful Islam is an oxymoron. Today in the middle east especially, if anyone critcizes Islam, the orthordox Muslim will severely punish that person, but that doesn't happen in Christianity. Let's call a spade a spade a religion is as it does!

Keep in mind that it was not always that way with Christianity. During the late middle ages and early modern period, people could be killed (often in torturous ways) simply for expressing a contrary (to those in power) opinion on Christian doctrine. For example, early protestant leader John Calvin had Michael Servetus burned at the stake for the "crime" of questioning the doctrine of the Trinity! The Spanish Inquisition had numerous individuals tortured and killed for the "crime" of "heresy."

There was a time when Christianity was just as violent as certain sects of Islam are today, and there was a time when the Muslim world was the beacon of scholarship.

I know but they at least admit now that was wrong, but Islam still follows that mentality or spirit to where people are stoned for blasphemy and tortured for drinking or stoned for adultery right out in the street. Hands are cut off for stealing.
The problem is Islam doesn't know the true God of the Bible who is totally reflected in Jesus. Look at what Jesus did for a model of God's will today. He forgave and gave His life so we could live. BTW, John Calvin wasn't against the trinity; he just had a different way of seeing it than the Catholic Church.

[Dantalion]

IMO, compassionate, peaceful Islam is an oxymoron. Today in the middle east especially, if anyone critcizes Islam, the orthordox Muslim will severely punish that person, but that doesn't happen in Christianity. Let's call a spade a spade a religion is as it does!

Keep in mind that it was not always that way with Christianity. During the late middle ages and early modern period, people could be killed (often in torturous ways) simply for expressing a contrary (to those in power) opinion on Christian doctrine. For example, early protestant leader John Calvin had Michael Servetus burned at the stake for the "crime" of questioning the doctrine of the Trinity! The Spanish Inquisition had numerous individuals tortured and killed for the "crime" of "heresy."

There was a time when Christianity was just as violent as certain sects of Islam are today, and there was a time when the Muslim world was the beacon of scholarship.

I know but they at least admit now that was wrong, but Islam still follows that mentality or spirit to where people are stoned for blasphemy and tortured for drinking or stoned for adultery right out in the street. Hands are cut off for stealing.
The problem is Islam doesn't know the true God of the Bible who is totally reflected in Jesus. Look at what Jesus did for a model of God's will today. He forgave and gave His life so we could live. BTW, John Calvin wasn't against the trinity; he just had a different way of seeing it than the Catholic Church.

oh please, what did he sacrifice, he went straight up to Heaven to sit at God's side for all eternity. what a sacrifice, what is a few days of suffering to an eternity of bliss ?
and how dare you say 'the problem is they don't know the true God'
that sort of thinking is what causes wars and genocide sir.
how about the problem is you all value your fairytales higher thn the life of an actual human being.

[Burninglight]

IMO, compassionate, peaceful Islam is an oxymoron. Today in the middle east especially, if anyone critcizes Islam, the orthordox Muslim will severely punish that person, but that doesn't happen in Christianity. Let's call a spade a spade a religion is as it does!

Keep in mind that it was not always that way with Christianity. During the late middle ages and early modern period, people could be killed (often in torturous ways) simply for expressing a contrary (to those in power) opinion on Christian doctrine. For example, early protestant leader John Calvin had Michael Servetus burned at the stake for the "crime" of questioning the doctrine of the Trinity! The Spanish Inquisition had numerous individuals tortured and killed for the "crime" of "heresy."

There was a time when Christianity was just as violent as certain sects of Islam are today, and there was a time when the Muslim world was the beacon of scholarship.

I know but they at least admit now that was wrong, but Islam still follows that mentality or spirit to where people are stoned for blasphemy and tortured for drinking or stoned for adultery right out in the street. Hands are cut off for stealing.
The problem is Islam doesn't know the true God of the Bible who is totally reflected in Jesus. Look at what Jesus did for a model of God's will today. He forgave and gave His life so we could live. BTW, John Calvin wasn't against the trinity; he just had a different way of seeing it than the Catholic Church.

oh please, what did he sacrifice, he went straight up to Heaven to sit at God's side for all eternity. what a sacrifice, what is a few days of suffering to an eternity of bliss ?
and how dare you say 'the problem is they don't know the true God'
that sort of thinking is what causes wars and genocide sir.
how about the problem is you all value your fairytales higher thn the life of an actual human being.

Oh please nothing. Why are you arguing something you don't believe about Jesus siting at God's right hand? How dare me? what about you? You don't even believe in God and you get on my case cause I say they don't have the right God. ANY KIND OF THINKING THAT IS DIFFERENT CAN START WARS. The point is Jesus never started wars nor did His disciples nor are we taught a physical waring type of life style, but that is what is built into the Quran. That is why they are doing constant Jihad

[Dantalion]

IMO, compassionate, peaceful Islam is an oxymoron. Today in the middle east especially, if anyone critcizes Islam, the orthordox Muslim will severely punish that person, but that doesn't happen in Christianity. Let's call a spade a spade a religion is as it does!

Keep in mind that it was not always that way with Christianity. During the late middle ages and early modern period, people could be killed (often in torturous ways) simply for expressing a contrary (to those in power) opinion on Christian doctrine. For example, early protestant leader John Calvin had Michael Servetus burned at the stake for the "crime" of questioning the doctrine of the Trinity! The Spanish Inquisition had numerous individuals tortured and killed for the "crime" of "heresy."

There was a time when Christianity was just as violent as certain sects of Islam are today, and there was a time when the Muslim world was the beacon of scholarship.

I know but they at least admit now that was wrong, but Islam still follows that mentality or spirit to where people are stoned for blasphemy and tortured for drinking or stoned for adultery right out in the street. Hands are cut off for stealing.
The problem is Islam doesn't know the true God of the Bible who is totally reflected in Jesus. Look at what Jesus did for a model of God's will today. He forgave and gave His life so we could live. BTW, John Calvin wasn't against the trinity; he just had a different way of seeing it than the Catholic Church.

oh please, what did he sacrifice, he went straight up to Heaven to sit at God's side for all eternity. what a sacrifice, what is a few days of suffering to an eternity of bliss ?
and how dare you say 'the problem is they don't know the true God'
that sort of thinking is what causes wars and genocide sir.
how about the problem is you all value your fairytales higher thn the life of an actual human being.

Oh please nothing. Why are you arguing something you don't believe about Jesus siting at God's right hand? How dare me? what about you? You don't even believe in God and you get on my case cause I say they don't have the right God. ANY KIND OF THINKING THAT IS DIFFERENT CAN START WARS. The point is Jesus never started wars nor did His disciples nor are we taught a physical waring type of life style, but that is what is built into the Quran. That is why they are doing constant Jihad

well if you exclude the first half of your own book, thn yes, compared to Islam Christianity does seem more peaceful, nowadays.
Does that translate in less christians inflicting violence in the name of their god thn muslims in the course of history ?
before you pull the 'those were men and men are sinners' card, ask yourself where all the wars instigated by buddhists are. Or better, jainists. aren't jainists all men too ? where is their jihad, their crusade, their inquisition ?
the bible lends itself just as easily to the justification acts of violence as the quran does. If you want to play the game of 'which religion is the more peaceful'
islam loses, chrisitanity loses, jainism wins. (and you will find my claim more thn validated in actual history) their violence prevails today, yours did in the past (and continues today, the genocide the catholic church causes in africa when they say that condoms cause HIV for instance.)
so yeah, you both lose.

[A Troubled Man]

Look at what Jesus did for a model of God's will today. He forgave and gave His life so we could live.

If Jesus was the son of god, then he was a god himself and did little more than dress up in a "human" suit to hide out as a human on earth. His 'human' suit may have been tortured and destroyed, but he did not die himself, because he was a god.

Can gods die?