Islam is anti women

[CabinInTheForest]

The oppression of women that Islam advocates is not only disturbing, but is direct contrast with everything that Christian civilization stands for when it comes to the rights of women.

The Quran

A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.

The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says:

Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like

Husbands are a degree above their wives.

The Quran in Sura 2:228 says:

. . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status

A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.The Quran in Sura 4:11 says:

The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . .

A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.

The Quran in Sura 2:282 says:

And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her.

A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.

The Quran in Sura 2:230 says:

And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry

Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.

The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:

And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war]

A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.

The Quran in Sura 4:3 says:

And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession.

A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.

The Quran in Sura 4:129 says:

It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense.

Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).

The Quran in Sura 4:34 says:

4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great.

Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls. Islam supports peadophilia.

The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says:

65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden.

Mohammed had an 8 year old wife (peadophilia).

Although in the Quran he would limit his followers to having four wives, Mohammed himself took more than four wives and concubines.

It also poses a logical problem for Muslims. Because the Quran in Sura 4:3 forbids the taking of more than four wives, to have taken any more would have been sinful for Muhammad.

LIST OF MOHAMMED WIVES

1.Khadija 12. Hend
2. Sawda 13. Asma (of Saba)
3. Aesha 14. Zaynab (of Khozayma)
4. Omm Salama 15. Habla
5. Halsa 16. Asma (of Noman)
6. Zaynab (of Jahsh) 17. Mary (the Christian)
7. Jowayriyi 18. Rayhana
8. Omm Habiba 19. Omm Sharik
9. Safiya 20. Maymuna
10. Maymuna (of Hareth) 21. Zaynab (a third one)
11. Fatema 22. Khawla
12. Hend
13. Asma (of Saba)
14. Zaynab (of Khozayma)
15. Habla
16. Asma (of Noman)
17. Mary (the Christian)
18. Rayhana
19. Omm Sharik
20. Maymuna
21. Zaynab (a third one)
22. Khawla

The first 16 women were wives. Numbers 17 and 18 were slaves or concubines.

The last four women were neither wives or slaves but devout Muslim women who "gave" themselves to satisfy Muhammad's sexual desires.

Aesha was only eight or nine years old when Muhammad took her to his bed. According to Hadith, she was still playing with her dolls. This facet of Muhammad's sexual appetite is particularly distressing to christians and hindus.

This aspect of Muhammad's personal life is something that many scholars pass over once again because they do not want to hurt the feelings of Muslims. Yet, history cannot be rewritten to avoid confronting the facts that Muhammad had unnatural desires for little girls. Islam and Mohammed is immoral.

[Fatihah]

Hello Fatihah,

One last thing which I don't think you've made clear in your posts so far.

Are Muslims, according to your version of Islam, allowed to marry female slaves and consider them and refer to them as slaves after marriage?

Thank you.

Response: Not at all. She should be treated with the same freedom and respect as marrying a woman who is not a slave.

[LiamOS]

Response: It is you who is demeaning yourself, as you claim that all people under 11 are uncapable of making reasonable decisions based on hypothetical situations, thus acknowledging difficiency in your thinking before you turned 11. So if you suggest that you had a difficiency of thinking as a child, who am I to disagree.

Did you just ignore the fact that I showed you that the article has proof behind it?
And will you just keep spouting your beliefs without evidence of your own while ignoring anything contradicting?

[Fatihah]

Response: It is you who is demeaning yourself, as you claim that all people under 11 are uncapable of making reasonable decisions based on hypothetical situations, thus acknowledging difficiency in your thinking before you turned 11. So if you suggest that you had a difficiency of thinking as a child, who am I to disagree.

Did you just ignore the fact that I showed you that the article has proof behind it?
And will you just keep spouting your beliefs without evidence of your own while ignoring anything contradicting?

Response: The relevant question is due you insist on inserting that there is proof in the article which we can clearly see is not and insist on denying the clear evidence of islam in front of you?

[LiamOS]

The relevant question is due you insist on inserting that there is proof in the article which we can clearly see is not

Did you read the relevant pages of the book or anything on the subject?

denying the clear evidence of islam in front of you?

I've seen nothing of the sort.

[Fatihah]

The relevant question is due you insist on inserting that there is proof in the article which we can clearly see is not

Did you read the relevant pages of the book or anything on the subject?

denying the clear evidence of islam in front of you?

I've seen nothing of the sort.

Response: You can't read what doesn't exist. And you've seen much of the sort, but choose to be in denial.

[LiamOS]

You can't read what doesn't exist.

Indeed you can't.

It's a good thing that the book exists then, isn't it?:

And you've seen much of the sort, but choose to be in denial.

Actually, I've satisfied the standards of logic I set myself in responding to your arguments. Whether or not you accept my rebuttals is your prerogative.

The only argument you've made for Islam is that it would be impossible for it to have spread without divine intervention. I believe that this is false for the following reasons:
Numerous ideas have spread and gathered as much if not more momentum than Islam, meaning that even if Muhammad just wrote a book and told people it was true, there was a chance that it'd pick up.
If Islam were the only religion, Christianity would not have managed to get a foothold, and I should think that Muslims would, by and large, be better off economically and socially than Christians.

[Fatihah]

You can't read what doesn't exist.

Indeed you can't.

It's a good thing that the book exists then, isn't it?:

And you've seen much of the sort, but choose to be in denial.

Actually, I've satisfied the standards of logic I set myself in responding to your arguments. Whether or not you accept my rebuttals is your prerogative.

The only argument you've made for Islam is that it would be impossible for it to have spread without divine intervention. I believe that this is false for the following reasons:
Numerous ideas have spread and gathered as much if not more momentum than Islam, meaning that even if Muhammad just wrote a book and told people it was true, there was a chance that it'd pick up.
If Islam were the only religion, Christianity would not have managed to get a foothold, and I should think that Muslims would, by and large, be better off economically and socially than Christians.

Response: Yet your problem is that I've clearly said nothing of the sort. Another of your strawman. What I've said can be seen in the thread "Islam offends me". No need for you to drag the topic to two different threads.

[LiamOS]

Well, from my reading of this thread I haven't found anything even near proof of Islam, so I assumed you were talking about the other thread.

So, do you believe that the book exists now?

[Fatihah]

Well, from my reading of this thread I haven't found anything even near proof of Islam, so I assumed you were talking about the other thread.

So, do you believe that the book exists now?

Response: I wasn't referring to the book. I was referring to the alleged proof from the book, which we can see does not exist.

[Woland]

Hello Fatihah,

One last thing which I don't think you've made clear in your posts so far.

Are Muslims, according to your version of Islam, allowed to marry female slaves and consider them and refer to them as slaves after marriage?

Thank you.

Response: Not at all. She should be treated with the same freedom and respect as marrying a woman who is not a slave.

I see. Just to make sure that I'm not misrepresenting your position, you seem to believe that

-Muslims are not allowed to have sex with slaves
-Muslims are only allowed to have sex with their wives, which cannot be treated as or called slaves when they are their wives

Correct?

Assuming it is,

1. What might your prophet say if he learned that one of his married men was having sex with a female slave which is not his wife? Would he condemn the action?

2. Are Muslims allowed to lust after their female slaves (i.e. have carnal desires for them)?

3. If so, can they lust after slaves, but not after other women who aren't their wives?

-Woland