Question for debate: Is there any evidence to suggest that this (or any of this) is true?Bag-Of-Hammers wrote:Muhammad wrote the koran in response to Judiasm and Christianity. He was jealous and wanted all the attiontion and praise, so he annointed himself as the one to be worshopped. Him and Allah(Satan). He would not humble himself in light of the truth. When his followers are confronted with the truth they act out as Muhammad would do. They turn into homicidal crybabies. Everyone that worshops Islam are worshopping the epitome of evil.
Allah is Satan and Mohammad was jealous of Christianity
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Allah is Satan and Mohammad was jealous of Christianity
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Just what it says. In order for Islam to Repent and strive for the love of God, they would need to quit striving for the love of the world and do the unpopular thing and take a stand for Jesus. The nature of Islam persicutes those that dare speak the truth about Jesus, and it would take a lionheart to take a stand for Jesus while amongst the nation of Islam that executes, and stones to death those that become enlightened to the truth about the evil that Muhammad is. The nation of Islam must reject Muhammad and stop lying about Jesus, or else the events in Revelations, which spells out their karma, will come upon them. God will be fighting for the honor of his beloved son. There is no other way around it.TrueReligion wrote:Whats the purpose of the post? cant figure out any thing hereBag-Of-Hammers wrote:For Islam to repent would mean that all Muslims strive for the love of God, and NOT that of the world, and it would take a heart of a lion to Stand up for Jesus while living in the heart of Islam.
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How do you know that they are not speaking the truth about Jesus, and Christianity is wrong? How do you know that you both aren't wrong? It seems to me that Muslims believe they worship the one true God, the God of Abraham.Bag-Of-Hammers wrote:Just what it says. In order for Islam to Repent and strive for the love of God, they would need to quit striving for the love of the world and do the unpopular thing and take a stand for Jesus. The nature of Islam persicutes those that dare speak the truth about Jesus, and it would take a lionheart to take a stand for Jesus while amongst the nation of Islam that executes, and stones to death those that become enlightened to the truth about the evil that Muhammad is. The nation of Islam must reject Muhammad and stop lying about Jesus, or else the events in Revelations, which spells out their karma, will come upon them. God will be fighting for the honor of his beloved son. There is no other way around it.TrueReligion wrote:Whats the purpose of the post? cant figure out any thing hereBag-Of-Hammers wrote:For Islam to repent would mean that all Muslims strive for the love of God, and NOT that of the world, and it would take a heart of a lion to Stand up for Jesus while living in the heart of Islam.
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Re: Allah is Satan and Mohammad was jealous of Christianity
Post #43VermilionUK wrote:Taken from: http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... hp?t=12279
Question for debate: Is there any evidence to suggest that this (or any of this) is true?Bag-Of-Hammers wrote:Muhammad wrote the koran in response to Judiasm and Christianity. He was jealous and wanted all the attiontion and praise, so he annointed himself as the one to be worshopped. Him and Allah(Satan). He would not humble himself in light of the truth. When his followers are confronted with the truth they act out as Muhammad would do. They turn into homicidal crybabies. Everyone that worshops Islam are worshopping the epitome of evil.
Islamic terrorists are the living Muhammad. They jealosly persicute anyone that does not worshop Muhammad. They are solely inspired by Muhammad. They absorb the deity of Muhammad. THey are the hands of Muhammad. They are jealous of anyone worshopping anyone but them. Muhammad lied about Jesus to gain the love of the world. He created the Koran specifically to steer people away from the God of the Bible so that everyone would worshop him in his place. He is the False Prophet prophesized about in Revelations. Prophets are not to be worshopped. He is the antichrist. His God is Satan. Imagine if your son were torchured to death, and later have a preacher teach that it never happened, and told everyone he was someone who he was not? Muhammad's lies are of the ut-most abomination to God that there ever was.
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Research. The first 4 books of the NT was carefully put together to reflect the truth. It was put together through careful research, based of 1000's of interviewed eyewitness accounts to the happenings and teachings of Jesus Christ. Anyone that proclaims to know otherwise what it says is lying. Muhammad's Koran is based on one uneducated man that wasn't interested in the truth. He was a man that wouldn't humble himself in the light of the truth and, like a crybaby, mercilessly demands everyone continue to lie about the one true God, and worshop him instead.goat wrote:How do you know that they are not speaking the truth about Jesus, and Christianity is wrong? How do you know that you both aren't wrong? It seems to me that Muslims believe they worship the one true God, the God of Abraham.Bag-Of-Hammers wrote:Just what it says. In order for Islam to Repent and strive for the love of God, they would need to quit striving for the love of the world and do the unpopular thing and take a stand for Jesus. The nature of Islam persicutes those that dare speak the truth about Jesus, and it would take a lionheart to take a stand for Jesus while amongst the nation of Islam that executes, and stones to death those that become enlightened to the truth about the evil that Muhammad is. The nation of Islam must reject Muhammad and stop lying about Jesus, or else the events in Revelations, which spells out their karma, will come upon them. God will be fighting for the honor of his beloved son. There is no other way around it.TrueReligion wrote:Whats the purpose of the post? cant figure out any thing hereBag-Of-Hammers wrote:For Islam to repent would mean that all Muslims strive for the love of God, and NOT that of the world, and it would take a heart of a lion to Stand up for Jesus while living in the heart of Islam.
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You never provide any proof BOH, al you say is just childish thoughts,comewith proof, Islam respect Jesus more thn Christians do. we have love and respect for Jesus, her mother, in Quran 1 whole chapter is for Marry in good words, wats in Bible about her?she is called in Bible with bad names.Bag-Of-Hammers wrote:Just what it says. In order for Islam to Repent and strive for the love of God, they would need to quit striving for the love of the world and do the unpopular thing and take a stand for Jesus. The nature of Islam persicutes those that dare speak the truth about Jesus, and it would take a lionheart to take a stand for Jesus while amongst the nation of Islam that executes, and stones to death those that become enlightened to the truth about the evil that Muhammad is. The nation of Islam must reject Muhammad and stop lying about Jesus, or else the events in Revelations, which spells out their karma, will come upon them. God will be fighting for the honor of his beloved son. There is no other way around it.TrueReligion wrote:Whats the purpose of the post? cant figure out any thing hereBag-Of-Hammers wrote:For Islam to repent would mean that all Muslims strive for the love of God, and NOT that of the world, and it would take a heart of a lion to Stand up for Jesus while living in the heart of Islam.
Is this the respect you christians gave to Jesus and her Mother?
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This is a blanket attack which adds little content to the debate. Positions should be argued dispassionately and with respect.Bag-Of-Hammers wrote:Just what it says. In order for Islam to Repent and strive for the love of God, they would need to quit striving for the love of the world and do the unpopular thing and take a stand for Jesus. The nature of Islam persicutes those that dare speak the truth about Jesus, and it would take a lionheart to take a stand for Jesus while amongst the nation of Islam that executes, and stones to death those that become enlightened to the truth about the evil that Muhammad is. The nation of Islam must reject Muhammad and stop lying about Jesus, or else the events in Revelations, which spells out their karma, will come upon them. God will be fighting for the honor of his beloved son. There is no other way around it.
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Really?? Was it put together to reflect the 'truth'.. or to promote a specific religious view point that is not the truth? Is Mohammad lying, or is it as heart felt religious belief that leads 'to the one true God'.? Or, are both the NT and the Koran just different paths to the same destinationBag-Of-Hammers wrote:
Research. The first 4 books of the NT was carefully put together to reflect the truth. It was put together through careful research, based of 1000's of interviewed eyewitness accounts to the happenings and teachings of Jesus Christ. Anyone that proclaims to know otherwise what it says is lying. Muhammad's Koran is based on one uneducated man that wasn't interested in the truth. He was a man that wouldn't humble himself in the light of the truth and, like a crybaby, mercilessly demands everyone continue to lie about the one true God, and worshop him instead.
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Re: Allah is Satan and Mohammad was jealous of Christianity
Post #48But in Bible, Jesus is not God, neither he claim to be God,Bag-Of-Hammers wrote:VermilionUK wrote:Taken from: http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... hp?t=12279
Question for debate: Is there any evidence to suggest that this (or any of this) is true?Bag-Of-Hammers wrote:Muhammad wrote the koran in response to Judiasm and Christianity. He was jealous and wanted all the attiontion and praise, so he annointed himself as the one to be worshopped. Him and Allah(Satan). He would not humble himself in light of the truth. When his followers are confronted with the truth they act out as Muhammad would do. They turn into homicidal crybabies. Everyone that worshops Islam are worshopping the epitome of evil.
Islamic terrorists are the living Muhammad. They jealosly persicute anyone that does not worshop Muhammad. They are solely inspired by Muhammad. They absorb the deity of Muhammad. THey are the hands of Muhammad. They are jealous of anyone worshopping anyone but them. Muhammad lied about Jesus to gain the love of the world. He created the Koran specifically to steer people away from the God of the Bible so that everyone would worshop him in his place. He is the False Prophet prophesized about in Revelations. Prophets are not to be worshopped. He is the antichrist. His God is Satan. Imagine if your son were torchured to death, and later have a preacher teach that it never happened, and told everyone he was someone who he was not? Muhammad's lies are of the ut-most abomination to God that there ever was.
Muhammad also never claim to be God, neither he asked some1 to worship him, and no muslim ver worship Muhammad.
Allah is the arabic name of God, even Jews and Christians in that time had their name with ALLAH.
I think you have too much lack of knowledge about Muslims and Quran, better you read 1st before making any false remarks towards Muslims, because no1 here is believing you.
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No1 is believing NT, every1 even Christians knows that its writen by some unknown person, and having lots of contradictions and errors.Bag-Of-Hammers wrote:Research. The first 4 books of the NT was carefully put together to reflect the truth. It was put together through careful research, based of 1000's of interviewed eyewitness accounts to the happenings and teachings of Jesus Christ. Anyone that proclaims to know otherwise what it says is lying. Muhammad's Koran is based on one uneducated man that wasn't interested in the truth. He was a man that wouldn't humble himself in the light of the truth and, like a crybaby, mercilessly demands everyone continue to lie about the one true God, and worshop him instead.goat wrote:How do you know that they are not speaking the truth about Jesus, and Christianity is wrong? How do you know that you both aren't wrong? It seems to me that Muslims believe they worship the one true God, the God of Abraham.Bag-Of-Hammers wrote:Just what it says. In order for Islam to Repent and strive for the love of God, they would need to quit striving for the love of the world and do the unpopular thing and take a stand for Jesus. The nature of Islam persicutes those that dare speak the truth about Jesus, and it would take a lionheart to take a stand for Jesus while amongst the nation of Islam that executes, and stones to death those that become enlightened to the truth about the evil that Muhammad is. The nation of Islam must reject Muhammad and stop lying about Jesus, or else the events in Revelations, which spells out their karma, will come upon them. God will be fighting for the honor of his beloved son. There is no other way around it.TrueReligion wrote:Whats the purpose of the post? cant figure out any thing hereBag-Of-Hammers wrote:For Islam to repent would mean that all Muslims strive for the love of God, and NOT that of the world, and it would take a heart of a lion to Stand up for Jesus while living in the heart of Islam.
For example, Mathew and Luke wrote the geneology ofJesus, Jesus himself dont have 1, yet Mathew and Luke made, but all with errors, do you call it research? seems like a kindergarden student writing the Gospels:)
Any claim that Muhammad told to worship him? any evidence you have? Quran has given no false statement, but all true evidence of history,and given more respect to Jesus and Mariam as compare to Bible
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Re: Allah is Satan and Mohammad was jealous of Christianity
Post #50Your theory is faulty. There are Christians in Iran and there are Muslims in England. But there are no Christians in hell.VermilionUK wrote:Not quite. I was actually suggesting that your religion is a factor of the society that you were brought up in. For example, if you were brought up in ancient Greece - you would have believed in Zeus, if you were brought up in Iran, you would have followed Islam, if you were brought up in Tibet, you'd be a buddhist monk.Bag-Of-Hammers wrote:If by that you mean that I live in a place where I have freedom of religion, and the tools to explore all the religions of the world to find and teach the truth, while Islammists are NOT free to believe or teach the truth, then you are right.VermilionUK wrote:I can't help but shrug when you speak so passionately, as if it were fact. If you were born in an Islamic society you would be calling upon Christians to "repent on the spot", not Muslims. The religion that you follow is an environmental consequence of the society you live in.Bag-Of-Hammers wrote:The Revelation to John was written at a time when Christians were being persecuted because of their faith in Jesus Christ as Lord. THe writers main concern is to give it's readers hope and encouragement, and to urge them to remain faithful during times of suffering and persecution. The living Muhammad persecutes anyone that does not worshop him, and forces people into teaching and telling the worst lies of all times. Lies of the utmost obomination to the one true loving God. Visions often come from future memories from possible futures to provide warning. THe visions written in Revelations is the one version of reality that will occur unless all of Islam repents on the spot to prevent it from happening. Are the writings in Revelations a threat to all that do not speak the truth about Jesus? Or a warning? Or a promise? I leave that up to you to decide. Either way, I would not advise anyone to speak lies about Jesus that steers people away from knowing the one true God. You yourself can read what it says, and it doesn't look good for them. You can see for yourself how he will be fighting. Plagues, destruction, death, and 1000 years of not being ressurected or reincarnated. Their souls will not come back while only God's people will return to rule. By denying the deity of Jesus with Muhammad in his place, they deny the previledge of returning. You bet your tukuss God will be fighting.VermilionUK wrote:Bag-Of-Hammers wrote:The only thing I would want all of Islam consider is what the one true God has in store for them when they go on speaking lies about his beloved, torchered to death, son. He will be fighting for who has the final word on weather Jesus was a man of his word or not. God will fight for weather his son was a man of God or not, and the future doesn't look pretty for those that don't speak the truth about Jesus, according to to Revelations. It looks very bad for you.goat wrote:On the contrary.. Any translation from one language to another takes on the flavor of the translators bias.Apple Pie wrote:
You just answered yourself in your reply, brother.
Any translation, into another language, takes on the original language intent.
Translation is interpretation.. and that is why CHristian translations of the Tanakh will have more of a 'Jesus colored Glasses' feel than Jewish ones.
Kinda threatening, wouldn't you say?
Sort of a "believe what I believe, or according to what I believe you're going to be in a world of pain" mentality.
I bet you all that is in my bank account that he won't.Bag-Of-Hammers wrote:You bet your tukuss God will be fighting.
Your religion depends largely on where you were born/raised, and what the religion of those around you was. I was brought up in England, and as such I was raised as a Christian, had I been raised in Iran, I'd probably be following the religion of Islam.
I suggested this because you speak as though you KNOW your God is the "true" God, whereas your belief on what the "true" god is, is most likely a factor of how you were raised, and where you were raised.
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