Muslims see sin as a challenge, except for sex?

[Greatest I Am]

Muslims see sin as a challenge, except for sex?

In speaking with Muslims, I have found that they see sin as something to be conquered and they are not shy about taking on the challenge of fighting their desires for sin.
A good trait to my mind.

Except for sexual matters.

With these sins and temptations, Muslims hide their temptation away, with clothing and social separation, and never face and conquer this particular group of sins. An example of this would be weddings where the females are separated from the males.

Know that some are more liberal than others and there is some liberalization but think that this is not the common Muslim.

Why is there a double standard?

Face and conquer, so to speak, other sins, but hide from sexual ones.

Thoughts?

Regards
DL

[Wyvern]

May I know please which muslim country, it states that men can wear whatever they want? and how many countries you went, that tell women to wear or cover?
How many Islamic women you talked with, who told you that they wear hijab by force

That's the point which you seem to have missed, there are laws in place as to how women are to dress but none for men. Which is but one way to make women into second class citizens.

[Wyvern]

I can quote full history of west, that when women was allowed to work, and what was her restrictions there, she was not even allowed to open bank account, and to inherit, she can;t speak in church, she can't take part in politics. I can go on andd on, with source. so please next time, come with preparation, or you will be defeated in 1st debate:)

Where did you learn all this stuff about the west? From the dark ages on women have traditionally been the primary inheritors of both land and power. Can't take part in politics? are you mad? Some of our greatest leaders in history have been women Catherine the great and Queens Victoria, Elizabeth I and II. Evebn in U.S. politics women have attained high positions Pelosi and Clinton to name the most prominent two. Can't speak in church, I think you haven't seen how many women clergy there is nowadays.

Also again your proof is required:) not statements, forgot the british journalist, who became muslim, and she wrote a book in favor of taliban, and showed their real face, how humble and polite they were with women:)

All you have to do is google taliban, or wiki them. It tells of all the things that were forbidden and of the public executions in the soccer stadium or how wearing nail polish could result in getting your fingers chopped off.

All is your statements, without any proof, If you want, I can show you real statsitcs, of what west have given to women, NUDITY, nothing beside that, so please whenever u say something, come with reliable proof and authentic source. otherwise whatverr u say, is of no use and not valid at all:) it will just show that you are liar and looser:)

Yes please show the stats that show all the west has given women is nudity. To use your own words come with reliable proof and an authentic source otherwise whatever you say is of no use and not valid at all, it will just show that you are a liar and a loser.

[TrueReligion]

May I know please which muslim country, it states that men can wear whatever they want? and how many countries you went, that tell women to wear or cover?
How many Islamic women you talked with, who told you that they wear hijab by force

That's the point which you seem to have missed, there are laws in place as to how women are to dress but none for men. Which is but one way to make women into second class citizens.

This is what I'am asking you, which muslim country states no dress code for men?that men is allowed to wear whatever they want?give your source please

[TrueReligion]

[quote="Wyvern"][quote]
Where did you learn all this stuff about the west? From the dark ages on women have traditionally been the primary inheritors of both land and power. Can't take part in politics? are you mad? Some of our greatest leaders in history have been women Catherine the great and Queens Victoria, Elizabeth I and II. Evebn in U.S. politics women have attained high positions Pelosi and Clinton to name the most prominent two. Can't speak in church, I think you haven't seen how many women clergy there is nowadays.

Im not talking about now a days, now a days u will find muslim fighter pilots as well. I'am talking about late 50's, mostly women started work after world war 2. its general public, not for few actresses and etc. do your research again please.

All you have to do is google taliban, or wiki them. It tells of all the things that were forbidden and of the public executions in the soccer stadium or how wearing nail polish could result in getting your fingers chopped off.

You are relying on 1 source, which is anti-taliban, and anti-muslim, you have to read the neutral source my friend, all your claims are depending on bias media, which is rejected. Thats y I told you, read the biography and column of British journalist, and find the reality.http://religion.info/english/interviews ... _355.shtml

[Wyvern]

Where did you learn all this stuff about the west? From the dark ages on women have traditionally been the primary inheritors of both land and power. Can't take part in politics? are you mad? Some of our greatest leaders in history have been women Catherine the great and Queens Victoria, Elizabeth I and II. Evebn in U.S. politics women have attained high positions Pelosi and Clinton to name the most prominent two. Can't speak in church, I think you haven't seen how many women clergy there is nowadays.

Im not talking about now a days, now a days u will find muslim fighter pilots as well. I'am talking about late 50's, mostly women started work after world war 2. its general public, not for few actresses and etc. do your research again please.

Switching those goal posts again I see, what next gonna state a specific year? In the late 1950's women had the same right of inheritance as men they had the same ability to open bank accounts and participate in politics as men and they could freely participate in the workforce just as men did. During the late '50's Golda Meir was the prime minister of Israel so I'm not sure what you mean women in the west could not do all these things you claim.

All you have to do is google taliban, or wiki them. It tells of all the things that were forbidden and of the public executions in the soccer stadium or how wearing nail polish could result in getting your fingers chopped off.

You are relying on 1 source, which is anti-taliban, and anti-muslim, you have to read the neutral source my friend, all your claims are depending on bias media, which is rejected. Thats y I told you, read the biography and column of British journalist, and find the reality.http://religion.info/english/interviews ... _355.shtml

I am relying on hundreds of sources, I said google which is a search engine if you didn't know. You on the other hand are relying on the account of one british journalist. Next you'll deny the taliban blew up the giant statues of Buddha at Bamiyan.

[TrueReligion]

You are relying on 1 source, which is anti-taliban, and anti-muslim, you have to read the neutral source my friend, all your claims are depending on bias media, which is rejected. Thats y I told you, read the biography and column of British journalist, and find the reality.http://religion.info/english/interviews ... _355.shtml

I am relying on hundreds of sources, I said google which is a search engine if you didn't know. You on the other hand are relying on the account of one british journalist. Next you'll deny the taliban blew up the giant statues of Buddha at Bamiyan.[/quote]

So, Is buddha god? or he told to make his statue? wats related this to taliban? US destroy the statue of saddam in Iraq also

Ofcourse those websites ddidnt stayed and lived with taliban . they are just copying and relying on one another, and on 1 media, that is cnn. and bbc.
If you are getting hard headed to read the story of that girl , Its not my mistake, my part is clear, I provied you proof wth source, go and read it, this is calll healthy debate. Not like what you prefer, you will choose and other truth if u dnt like you will not take.

This is call bias thinking:)

[Wyvern]

You are relying on 1 source, which is anti-taliban, and anti-muslim, you have to read the neutral source my friend, all your claims are depending on bias media, which is rejected. Thats y I told you, read the biography and column of British journalist, and find the reality.http://religion.info/english/interviews ... _355.shtml

I am relying on hundreds of sources, I said google which is a search engine if you didn't know. You on the other hand are relying on the account of one british journalist. Next you'll deny the taliban blew up the giant statues of Buddha at Bamiyan.

So, Is buddha god? or he told to make his statue? wats related this to taliban? US destroy the statue of saddam in Iraq also

The taliban destroyed the Buddhas of Bamiyan which were declared a UN world heritage site unlike the statue of Saddam. Do you still deny the harsh restrictions the taliban had on nearly everything? Or how the taliban stopped female education and did not allow them to work outside the home or even be outside the home with out being accompanied by a male relative, even though it caused a health care crisis because most nurses are women.

Ofcourse those websites ddidnt stayed and lived with taliban . they are just copying and relying on one another, and on 1 media, that is cnn. and bbc.
If you are getting hard headed to read the story of that girl , Its not my mistake, my part is clear, I provied you proof wth source, go and read it, this is calll healthy debate. Not like what you prefer, you will choose and other truth if u dnt like you will not take.

Okay you don't like CNN or the BBC care to name a reliable news group that you would accept? Again you have one source and I have hundreds, but you deny all of them because they say something you don't like.

[TrueReligion]

The taliban destroyed the Buddhas of Bamiyan which were declared a UN world heritage site unlike the statue of Saddam. Do you still deny the harsh restrictions the taliban had on nearly everything? Or how the taliban stopped female education and did not allow them to work outside the home or even be outside the home with out being accompanied by a male relative, even though it caused a health care crisis because most nurses are women.

See Sir, still you are not getting, ot dont want to understand. Statue is not a symbol of anything, No one cares what UN says or make heritage, in Islam, statue is considered as idol--worshipping. same as in christianity,, so to break it was a good step.
Further for women working or studying, if you kow taliban history, before they took rule of afghanistan, there was no proper govt, and rapes of women, and humilation was common in afghanstan, and it was done even by police and so-called army, which taliban stop, and kill those rapists in the footbal ground, which now you wester people call cruelty.
Females were stop due to this reason, not to travel alone, without their brother, husband or father, as there was big risk involve that time in country, and they might get harmed.
But there were girls, who want to be modernize, and sort of open-minded, prostitutes, who went against this, and were punished,as per the Islamic Law. so whats wrong in this? I told you every country have their own rule, you can;t poke your nose in their matters, right sir?


Okay you don't like CNN or the BBC care to name a reliable news group that you would accept? Again you have one source and I have hundreds, but you deny all of them because they say something you don't like.

No, Still I request you to read the interviewof that girl, you u dont like to read? its you who is getting hard-headed, not me, I request you 1st, so all you have to do is to cater my request. and you will understand wats the truth
Thanks, its time for me to sleep,, talk to you later
have a good day

[Wyvern]

See Sir, still you are not getting, ot dont want to understand. Statue is not a symbol of anything, No one cares what UN says or make heritage, in Islam, statue is considered as idol--worshipping. same as in christianity,, so to break it was a good step.

Obviously it was a symbol of something otherwise the taliban would not have gone through the trouble of destroying it in the first place, there are no longer any buddhists in Afghanistan so noone was worshipping them, they were historical monuments and obviously many did care about them otherwise noone would have reported on it and they certainly wouldn't be trying to restore them as they are in fact doing.

Further for women working or studying, if you kow taliban history, before they took rule of afghanistan, there was no proper govt, and rapes of women, and humilation was common in afghanstan, and it was done even by police and so-called army, which taliban stop, and kill those rapists in the footbal ground, which now you wester people call cruelty.
Females were stop due to this reason, not to travel alone, without their brother, husband or father, as there was big risk involve that time in country, and they might get harmed.
But there were girls, who want to be modernize, and sort of open-minded, prostitutes, who went against this, and were punished,as per the Islamic Law. so whats wrong in this? I told you every country have their own rule, you can;t poke your nose in their matters, right sir?

So in your eyes any female that wants a simple education is a prostitute? Lets see thieves get a hand chopped off and wearing nail polish gets gets your fingers chopped off. You talk about how things were in that time but these restrictions lasted until they were taken out of power, wasn't the taliban able to control their country ever? Looks like the taliban wanted everyone to avoid everything that could give the least temptation, doesn't seem like they had much belief in there religion.

Okay you don't like CNN or the BBC care to name a reliable news group that you would accept? Again you have one source and I have hundreds, but you deny all of them because they say something you don't like.

No, Still I request you to read the interviewof that girl, you u dont like to read? its you who is getting hard-headed, not me, I request you 1st, so all you have to do is to cater my request.

I understand perfectly that this one person had a great experience with the taliban, but the thing is she was an outsider that did not have to conform to the rules the Afghans did. But again this is but one source while I cite hundreds and you simply state they are all bad, then I ask for a news source that you would consider valid and you ignore it.

[TrueReligion]

Obviously it was a symbol of something otherwise the taliban would not have gone through the trouble of destroying it in the first place, there are no longer any buddhists in Afghanistan so noone was worshipping them, they were historical monuments and obviously many did care about them otherwise noone would have reported on it and they certainly wouldn't be trying to restore them as they are in fact doing.

Ok telll me what is this statue symbol of? what it means to you,a God or something? I told you, idols are not allowed in Islam, and its not only in Islam, its in bible and other scriptures as well. so your point of concern is just childish and only shows argument without any sense.

So in your eyes any female that wants a simple education is a prostitute? Lets see thieves get a hand chopped off and wearing nail polish gets gets your fingers chopped off. You talk about how things were in that time but these restrictions lasted until they were taken out of power, wasn't the taliban able to control their country ever? Looks like the taliban wanted everyone to avoid everything that could give the least temptation, doesn't seem like they had much belief in there religion.

I think you have to work out for your english sir, I said at that time, the crime rates were so high, and women were too much harrasedd by criminal and bad elements of society, due to this reason, it was made law that women should preferebly stay at home, for their own safety. By the way, nail polish is not a sign of good girl, many non-muslims girls I know who dont use it, and make it as a sign of temtation and sign of bad girls. y u like bad girls more I guess

I understand perfectly that this one person had a great experience with the taliban, but the thing is she was an outsider that did not have to conform to the rules the Afghans did. But again this is but one source while I cite hundreds and you simply state they are all bad, then I ask for a news source that you would consider valid and you ignore it.

I told you, those news sources are working for US-Base, and their agenda. and they write what is provided to them, a genuine reporter wil always tells the truth, y those news sites you mention stayed and lived and worked with taliban that they focus on each and every part of them? did u stay in afghannistan that you are saying those things all against taliban? it means you have'nt known them, and just relying on the media:)
Media declares war heroes into terrorists, example, nelson mendiala was once a biggest terrorist, now he is a war hero when true picture came.
Same like in Ireland, Scotland etc etc, many examples are there.