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How to Convert to Islam and Become a Muslim

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The word “Muslim” means one who submits to the will of God, regardless of their race, nationality or ethnic background. Becoming a Muslim is a simple and easy process that requires no pre-requisites. One may convert alone in privacy, or he/she may do so in the presence of others.

If anyone has a real desire to be a Muslim and has full conviction and strong belief that Islam is the true religion of God, then, all one needs to do is pronounce the “Shahada”, the testimony of faith, without further delay. The “Shahada” is the first and most important of the five pillars of Islam.

With the pronunciation of this testimony, or “Shahada”, with sincere belief and conviction, one enters the fold of Islam.

Upon entering the fold of Islam purely for the Pleasure of God, all of one’s previous sins are forgiven, and one starts a new life of piety and righteousness. The Prophet said to a person who had placed the condition upon the Prophet in accepting Islam that God would forgive his sins:

“Do you not know that accepting Islam destroys all sins which come before it?” (Saheeh Muslim)

When one accepts Islam, they in essence repent from the ways and beliefs of their previous life. One need not to be overburdened by sins committed before their acceptance. The person’s record is clean, and it is as if he was just born from his mother’s womb. One should try as much as possible to keep his records clean and strive to do as many good deeds as possible.

The Holy Quran and Hadeeth (prophetic sayings) both stress the importance of following Islam. God states:

“...The only religion in the sight of God is Islam...” (Quran 3:19)

In another verse of the Holy Quran, God states:

“If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter, he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (their selves in the Hellfire).” (Quran 3:85)

In another saying, Muhammad, the Prophet of God, said:

“Whoever testifies that there in none worthy of being worshipped but God, Who has no partner, and that Muhammad is His slave and Prophet, and that Jesus is the Slave of God, His Prophet, and His word[1] which He bestowed in Mary and a spirit created from Him; and that Paradise (Heaven) is true, and that the Hellfire is true, God will eventually admit him into Paradise, according to his deeds.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)

The Prophet of God, may God praise him, also reported:

“Indeed God has forbidden to reside eternally in Hell the person who says: “I testify that none has the right to worship except Allah (God),’ seeking thereby the Face of God.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)

The Declaration of the Testimony (Shahada)
To convert to Islam and become a Muslim a person needs to pronounce the below testimony with conviction and understanding its meaning:

I testify “La ilah illa Allah, Muhammad rasoolu Allah.”

The translation of which is:

“I testify that there is no true god (deity) but God (Allah), and that Muhammad is a Messenger (Prophet) of God.”

To hear it click here or click on “Live Help” above for assistance by chat.

When someone pronounces the testimony with conviction, then he/she have become a Muslim. It can be done alone, but it is much better to be done with an adviser through the “Live Help” at top, so he may help you in pronouncing it right.

The first part of the testimony consists of the most important truth that God revealed to mankind: that there is nothing divine or worthy of being worshipped except for Almighty God. God states in the Holy Quran:

“We did not send the Messenger before you without revealing to him: ‘none has the right to be worshipped except I, therefore worship Me.’” (Quran 21:25)

This conveys that all forms of worship, whether it be praying, fasting, invoking, seeking refuge in, and offering an animal as sacrifice, must be directed to God and to God alone. Directing any form of worship to other than God (whether it be an angel, a messenger, Jesus, Muhammad, a saint, an idol, the sun, the moon, a tree) is seen as a contradiction to the fundamental message of Islam, and it is an unforgivable sin unless it is repented from before one dies. All forms of worship must be directed to God only.

Worship means the performance of deeds and sayings that please God, things which He commanded or encouraged to be performed, either by direct textual proof or by analogy. Thus, worship is not restricted to the implementation of the five pillars of Islam, but also includes every aspect of life. Providing food for one’s family, and saying something pleasant to cheer a person up are also considered acts of worship, if such is done with the intention of pleasing God. This means that, to be accepted, all acts of worship must be carried out sincerely for the Sake of God alone.

The second part of the testimony means that Prophet Muhammad is the servant and chosen messenger of God. This implies that one obeys and follows the commands of the Prophet. One must believe in what he has said, practice his teachings and avoid what he has forbidden. One must therefore worship God only according to his teaching alone, for all the teachings of the Prophet were in fact revelations and inspirations conveyed to him by God.

One must try to mold their lives and character and emulate the Prophet, as he was a living example for humans to follow. God says:

“And indeed you are upon a high standard of moral character.” (Quran 68:4)

God also said:

“And in deed you have a good and upright example in the Messenger of God, for those who hope in the meeting of God and the Hereafter, and mentions God much.” (Quran 33:21)

He was sent in order to practically implement the Quran, in his saying, deeds, legislation as well as all other facets of life. Aisha, the wife of the Prophet, when asked about the character of the Prophet, replied:

“His character was that of the Quran.” (As-Suyooti)

To truly adhere to the second part of the Shahada is to follow his example in all walks of life. God says:

“Say (O Muhammad to mankind): ‘If you (really) love God, then follow me.’” (Quran 3:31)

It also means that Muhammad is the Final Prophet and Messenger of God, and that no (true) Prophet can come after him.

“Muhammad is not the father of any man among you but he is the Messenger of God and the last (end) of the Prophets and God is Ever All-Aware of everything.” (Quran 33:40)

All who claim to be prophets or receive revelation after Muhammad are imposters, and to acknowledge them would be tantamount to disbelief.

We welcome you to Islam, congratulate you for your decision, and will try to help you in any way we can.

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Five pillars? That's gotta be easier than AA's twelve steps.

Is it not enough to worship God, and try to be a good person? Islam, like every religion before it or since, has a bipolar God you can't see, a book that can be interpreted any way you need, and a godlike person to aspire to.

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joeyknuccione wrote:Five pillars? That's gotta be easier than AA's twelve steps.

Is it not enough to worship God, and try to be a good person? Islam, like every religion before it or since, has a bipolar God you can't see, a book that can be interpreted any way you need, and a godlike person to aspire to.

well you are a bit wrong,
(only the illeterate(about ithe knowledge of the quran and islam) can interperate it however they like, otherwise , the quran always offers the truth.

well, muhammed(saw) , was just a messenger of allah(swt), and he was there , so that we may not excuse god(on the day of judgement) by saying, that, no one showed us how to do?
a religion should not be obsereved from its followers ,but from its scriptures and established facts.
because followers can be misleading.


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muhammad rasullah wrote:Wow this is very funny. Yes allah is all powerful and Allah can never be less than who he is.
I'll tell you what's funny - that this response shows so much evidence that Allah is self-contradictory that you make it impossible for anyone to miss the fact.
So your saying that Allah contradicts himself only shows that you really don't understand Allah and what being all powerful means. Since Allah is all powerful this is why he can't become subservient because then he wouldn't be all powerful.
And since this shows what Allah can't do, it points to him not being all-powerful. The clue is the word 'can't'. An all-powerful being which can't do something is not an all-powerful being.
Like in the case of Allah becoming a man this can't happen because Allah doesn't sleep nor slumber man does, Allah doesn't eat nor drink when man needs to eat and drink to live. So this is how powerful he is, because if he became a man then it would contradict who he is not Allah not becoming a man.
In other words, becoming a man is beyond his power. Hence, he is not all-powerful.
For example when muslims say the kingdom of God extends everywhere over the heavens and the earth. So when someone asks the question can a person be kicked out of the kingdom of God the answer is no. This doesn't make him powerless or contradict him in any way it shows how powerful he is that you can't be kicked out of the kingdom of God due to his greatness. If his kingdom extends everywhere where can he kick you out to? You are contradicting yourself by trying to discredit Allah and his attributes.
So basically, since his kingdon extends everywhere, he can't find a place to kick you to. Rathpig has not contradicted himself at all, whereas your argument does more to back up your opponent's point than it does to strengthen yours. This seems to be a common occurrence in your posts.

It's that old argument against an all-powerful being again - can God (Allah) make an object which is too heavy for him to lift? Both the answer 'yes' and the answer 'no' result in the same outcome - he is not all-powerful.
Fallibleone wrote:I'll tell you what's funny - that this response shows so much evidence that Allah is self-contradictory that you make it impossible for anyone to miss the fact.
Allah can never be less than who he is and since allah is all powerful he cant be something that is less than that for example a man. Man is needy, man needs food water, shelter to live therefore he is dependent on something else for those things and limited in what he can do. whereas allah is not like that and since man is then he cant be a man because if he were a man then he would be just like that man and need food, water and shelter to live. If you are thinking that he can be both God and man than that is impossible because by definition it cannot take place and there is no evidence for such a thing in existence. It's like having a square then making it into a circle and still calling it a square. If someone told me that this circle was a square then I would say he's crazy.
Fallibleone wrote:And since this shows what Allah can't do, it points to him not being all-powerful. The clue is the word 'can't'. An all-powerful being which can't do something is not an all-powerful being.
Just because I said Allah can't be less than himself that doesn't relinquish the power that he has. If you can tell me how somebody can be all powerful and then be something less than that then I would believe you. You show me somebody that can hear and be deaf at the same time, somebody that can be mentally retarded and be scholarly at the same time. When you bring forth an example of what you are saying to be true then I'll believe you. But I doubt you can find anything like a squared circle. Allah not being able to be anything else but all powerful doesn't mean that he isnt all powerful because he can't this actually shows how powerful he is. It's like somebody who works with you and he labels himself the boss but has no say in what goes on at the job and gets paid the least. What makes him the boss?
Fallibleone wrote:In other words, becoming a man is beyond his power. Hence, he is not all-powerful.
No! In other words man since man is not all powerful he cannot be a man. Allah can only be what he is.
Fallibleone wrote:So basically, since his kingdon extends everywhere, he can't find a place to kick you to. Rathpig has not contradicted himself at all, whereas your argument does more to back up your opponent's point than it does to strengthen yours. This seems to be a common occurrence in your posts.
Okay you seem to be thinking I'm contradicting myself lets see then. When I said that Allahs kingdom extends everywhere where would he kick someone out to? I want you to tell me where he's gonna kick the person out of his kingdom if his kingdom extends everywhere? Tell me a place? Where?
Fallibleone wrote:It's that old argument against an all-powerful being again - can God (Allah) make an object which is too heavy for him to lift? Both the answer 'yes' and the answer 'no' result in the same outcome - he is not all-powerful.
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Your logic is very faulty and here's why. Let's say Allah did make something that was too heavy for him to lift to you this would show how powerful he is but then he tries to lift what he created and he cant is he still all powerful? The answer is clearly no? So to your question asking if he can created something too heavy for him to lift the answer is no he cant does that mean that he is not all powerful again NO! that means that there is nothing that he cant lift and anything that he created he could lift it and crush it. That is all powerful!
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Re: How to Convert to Islam and Become a Muslim

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light wrote:The word �Muslim� means one who submits to the will of God, regardless of their race, nationality or ethnic background. Becoming a Muslim is a simple and easy process that requires no pre-requisites. One may convert alone in privacy, or he/she may do so in the presence of others.

If anyone has a real desire to be a Muslim and has full conviction and strong belief that Islam is the true religion of God, then, all one needs to do is pronounce the �Shahada�, the testimony of faith, without further delay. The �Shahada� is the first and most important of the five pillars of Islam.

With the pronunciation of this testimony, or �Shahada�, with sincere belief and conviction, one enters the fold of Islam.

Upon entering the fold of Islam purely for the Pleasure of God, all of one�s previous sins are forgiven, and one starts a new life of piety and righteousness. The Prophet said to a person who had placed the condition upon the Prophet in accepting Islam that God would forgive his sins:

�Do you not know that accepting Islam destroys all sins which come before it?� (Saheeh Muslim)

When one accepts Islam, they in essence repent from the ways and beliefs of their previous life. One need not to be overburdened by sins committed before their acceptance. The person�s record is clean, and it is as if he was just born from his mother�s womb. One should try as much as possible to keep his records clean and strive to do as many good deeds as possible.

The Holy Quran and Hadeeth (prophetic sayings) both stress the importance of following Islam. God states:

�...The only religion in the sight of God is Islam...� (Quran 3:19)

In another verse of the Holy Quran, God states:

�If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter, he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (their selves in the Hellfire).� (Quran 3:85)

In another saying, Muhammad, the Prophet of God, said:

�Whoever testifies that there in none worthy of being worshipped but God, Who has no partner, and that Muhammad is His slave and Prophet, and that Jesus is the Slave of God, His Prophet, and His word[1] which He bestowed in Mary and a spirit created from Him; and that Paradise (Heaven) is true, and that the Hellfire is true, God will eventually admit him into Paradise, according to his deeds.� (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)

The Prophet of God, may God praise him, also reported:

�Indeed God has forbidden to reside eternally in Hell the person who says: �I testify that none has the right to worship except Allah (God),� seeking thereby the Face of God.� (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)

The Declaration of the Testimony (Shahada)
To convert to Islam and become a Muslim a person needs to pronounce the below testimony with conviction and understanding its meaning:

I testify �La ilah illa Allah, Muhammad rasoolu Allah.�

The translation of which is:

�I testify that there is no true god (deity) but God (Allah), and that Muhammad is a Messenger (Prophet) of God.�

To hear it click here or click on �Live Help� above for assistance by chat.

When someone pronounces the testimony with conviction, then he/she have become a Muslim. It can be done alone, but it is much better to be done with an adviser through the �Live Help� at top, so he may help you in pronouncing it right.

The first part of the testimony consists of the most important truth that God revealed to mankind: that there is nothing divine or worthy of being worshipped except for Almighty God. God states in the Holy Quran:

�We did not send the Messenger before you without revealing to him: �none has the right to be worshipped except I, therefore worship Me.�� (Quran 21:25)

This conveys that all forms of worship, whether it be praying, fasting, invoking, seeking refuge in, and offering an animal as sacrifice, must be directed to God and to God alone. Directing any form of worship to other than God (whether it be an angel, a messenger, Jesus, Muhammad, a saint, an idol, the sun, the moon, a tree) is seen as a contradiction to the fundamental message of Islam, and it is an unforgivable sin unless it is repented from before one dies. All forms of worship must be directed to God only.

Worship means the performance of deeds and sayings that please God, things which He commanded or encouraged to be performed, either by direct textual proof or by analogy. Thus, worship is not restricted to the implementation of the five pillars of Islam, but also includes every aspect of life. Providing food for one�s family, and saying something pleasant to cheer a person up are also considered acts of worship, if such is done with the intention of pleasing God. This means that, to be accepted, all acts of worship must be carried out sincerely for the Sake of God alone.

The second part of the testimony means that Prophet Muhammad is the servant and chosen messenger of God. This implies that one obeys and follows the commands of the Prophet. One must believe in what he has said, practice his teachings and avoid what he has forbidden. One must therefore worship God only according to his teaching alone, for all the teachings of the Prophet were in fact revelations and inspirations conveyed to him by God.

One must try to mold their lives and character and emulate the Prophet, as he was a living example for humans to follow. God says:

�And indeed you are upon a high standard of moral character.� (Quran 68:4)

God also said:

�And in deed you have a good and upright example in the Messenger of God, for those who hope in the meeting of God and the Hereafter, and mentions God much.� (Quran 33:21)

He was sent in order to practically implement the Quran, in his saying, deeds, legislation as well as all other facets of life. Aisha, the wife of the Prophet, when asked about the character of the Prophet, replied:

�His character was that of the Quran.� (As-Suyooti)

To truly adhere to the second part of the Shahada is to follow his example in all walks of life. God says:

�Say (O Muhammad to mankind): �If you (really) love God, then follow me.�� (Quran 3:31)

It also means that Muhammad is the Final Prophet and Messenger of God, and that no (true) Prophet can come after him.

�Muhammad is not the father of any man among you but he is the Messenger of God and the last (end) of the Prophets and God is Ever All-Aware of everything.� (Quran 33:40)

All who claim to be prophets or receive revelation after Muhammad are imposters, and to acknowledge them would be tantamount to disbelief.

We welcome you to Islam, congratulate you for your decision, and will try to help you in any way we can.

WHAT?!?!?!! I can't hear you!!!!

Either way, I hope Xian's are reading this. This kind of Apologetics and Theology sounds EXACTLY the same to us atheists. When he quotes the Koran and you roll your eyes, that is what other people feel of Xianity and other religions.

Does ANYONE have a reason that one is more accurate or authoritative than the other?
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muhammad rasullah wrote:
Fallibleone wrote:
muhammad rasullah wrote:Wow this is very funny. Yes allah is all powerful and Allah can never be less than who he is.
I'll tell you what's funny - that this response shows so much evidence that Allah is self-contradictory that you make it impossible for anyone to miss the fact.
So your saying that Allah contradicts himself only shows that you really don't understand Allah and what being all powerful means. Since Allah is all powerful this is why he can't become subservient because then he wouldn't be all powerful.
And since this shows what Allah can't do, it points to him not being all-powerful. The clue is the word 'can't'. An all-powerful being which can't do something is not an all-powerful being.
Like in the case of Allah becoming a man this can't happen because Allah doesn't sleep nor slumber man does, Allah doesn't eat nor drink when man needs to eat and drink to live. So this is how powerful he is, because if he became a man then it would contradict who he is not Allah not becoming a man.
In other words, becoming a man is beyond his power. Hence, he is not all-powerful.
For example when muslims say the kingdom of God extends everywhere over the heavens and the earth. So when someone asks the question can a person be kicked out of the kingdom of God the answer is no. This doesn't make him powerless or contradict him in any way it shows how powerful he is that you can't be kicked out of the kingdom of God due to his greatness. If his kingdom extends everywhere where can he kick you out to? You are contradicting yourself by trying to discredit Allah and his attributes.
So basically, since his kingdon extends everywhere, he can't find a place to kick you to. Rathpig has not contradicted himself at all, whereas your argument does more to back up your opponent's point than it does to strengthen yours. This seems to be a common occurrence in your posts.

It's that old argument against an all-powerful being again - can God (Allah) make an object which is too heavy for him to lift? Both the answer 'yes' and the answer 'no' result in the same outcome - he is not all-powerful.
Fallibleone wrote:I'll tell you what's funny - that this response shows so much evidence that Allah is self-contradictory that you make it impossible for anyone to miss the fact.
Allah can never be less than who he is and since allah is all powerful he cant be something that is less than that for example a man.
You are trying to disagree with me and yet you continue to use the word 'can't' in relation to an all-powerful being. Please read what I type. If Allah can't do something, he is not all-powerful.
Man is needy, man needs food water, shelter to live therefore he is dependent on something else for those things and limited in what he can do. whereas allah is not like that and since man is then he cant be a man because if he were a man then he would be just like that man and need food, water and shelter to live.
Yes, Muhammad. He can't, CAN'T, can not become a man. This means he is not all-powerful. He CANNOT become a man.
If you are thinking that he can be both God and man than that is impossible because by definition it cannot take place and there is no evidence for such a thing in existence.
I do not ascribe any abilities whatsoever to Allah. I am arguing about those which you ascribe to him, and attempting to show you how they are lacking. You assert that he is all-powerful, while in the same breath listing all those things which he cannot do. Only to a religionist would this make any sense. Is that what religion does? Make the idea that black is actually not black at all but white seem so obvious that one is perfectly comfortable with the idea of sensibly arguing the point with others who still know that black is black and white is white?
It's like having a square then making it into a circle and still calling it a square. If someone told me that this circle was a square then I would say he's crazy.
So a bit like maintaining that a being is all-powerful and then listing the things which it cannot do.
Fallibleone wrote:And since this shows what Allah can't do, it points to him not being all-powerful. The clue is the word 'can't'. An all-powerful being which can't do something is not an all-powerful being.
Just because I said Allah can't be less than himself that doesn't relinquish the power that he has.
It gives the lie to any claims that he actually has that power which you ascribe to him, whether you care to let that reality invade your belief or not. I can't say it any simpler. A being who cannot do something is not all-powerful.
If you can tell me how somebody can be all powerful and then be something less than that then I would believe you. You show me somebody that can hear and be deaf at the same time, somebody that can be mentally retarded and be scholarly at the same time. When you bring forth an example of what you are saying to be true then I'll believe you. But I doubt you can find anything like a squared circle.
Thank you for further discrediting your own argument. You are quite right. Something cannot be the antithesis of itself. It is impossible. That is why Allah cannot be all-powerful and also unable to do certain things. Since we already have numerous claims from you - that Allah cannot become subservient, cannot become a man and cannot kick anyone out of his kingdom - which highlight his limitations, this shows he is not all-powerful, rather than that he is all-powerful. In other words, he cannot be as he appears - all-powerful, and yet not all-powerful. Therefore, since we have already established, as described, that there are things which he cannot do, he must not be all-powerful. Because he can't be both.
Allah not being able to be anything else but all powerful doesn't mean that he isnt all powerful because he can't this actually shows how powerful he is. It's like somebody who works with you and he labels himself the boss but has no say in what goes on at the job and gets paid the least. What makes him the boss?
If only you could see how that looks, Muhammad. 'Just because Allah can't do something doesn't mean he isn't all-powrful. The fact that he can't do something just shows he's all-powerful.' Your argument does not make sense in the real world. Sorry to be blunt. Would you have us believe that all-powerfulness is characterised by the inability to do certain things? That might work on believers who have worked hard on twisting reality to fit dogma, but it carries no weight with the rest of us.
Fallibleone wrote:In other words, becoming a man is beyond his power. Hence, he is not all-powerful.
No! In other words man since man is not all powerful he cannot be a man. Allah can only be what he is.
Yes - Allah CANNOT change what he is.
Fallibleone wrote:So basically, since his kingdon extends everywhere, he can't find a place to kick you to. Rathpig has not contradicted himself at all, whereas your argument does more to back up your opponent's point than it does to strengthen yours. This seems to be a common occurrence in your posts.
Okay you seem to be thinking I'm contradicting myself lets see then.
Let us remove all doubt. That is exactly what I am thinking.
When I said that Allahs kingdom extends everywhere where would he kick someone out to? I want you to tell me where he's gonna kick the person out of his kingdom if his kingdom extends everywhere?
That, if I may be direct, is your problem, not mine. You argued that his kingdom extends everywhere. You argued that this means he cannot kick anyone out of his kingdom. What you seem to be saying now is 'it's not Allah's fault that he can't kick them anywhere - there's nowhere else.' The fact remains that he is not able to do so.
Tell me a place? Where?
Well nowhere, Muhammad, obviously. That's the point. If Allah's kingdom extends to everywhere, as you say, there is nowhere he can kick them. OOPS!

How does this show that you are not contradicting yourself?
Fallibleone wrote:It's that old argument against an all-powerful being again - can God (Allah) make an object which is too heavy for him to lift? Both the answer 'yes' and the answer 'no' result in the same outcome - he is not all-powerful.
Your logic is very faulty and here's why.
Thank you for attributing that very good, old exercise in logic to me. Sadly I cannot claim to have thought of it.
Let's say Allah did make something that was too heavy for him to lift to you this would show how powerful he is but then he tries to lift what he created and he cant is he still all powerful? The answer is clearly no? So to your question asking if he can created something too heavy for him to lift the answer is no he cant does that mean that he is not all powerful again NO!
You contradict yourself within one sentence. The clue, again, is bolded for you. You say 'can he make such a thing? No. Does this mean he is not all-powerful? No.'
It doesn't seem to be my logic which is faulty here.
that means that there is nothing that he cant lift and anything that he created he could lift it and crush it. That is all powerful!
The logical gymnastics you are employing, while quite spectacular in their own right, are rather disturbingly obvious. You are saying that he only makes things which he can lift. I asked you if he could make something which he CAN'T lift. You already admitted that HE CANNOT.
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muhammad rasullah wrote:You are contradicting yourself by trying to discredit Allah and his attributes.

Allah discredits himself by his admission that he is a myth. Allah is either like the Zâlimûn or the Qabîluhu. He either violates his own divinity, or he is a myth created to scare children.


You have been explained the logical error of your superstition by Fallibleone.

I will show you the religious error: Allah has not the least power over me. I can curse Allah. I can call Allah swine, and Allah is powerless. Nothing binds me to Allah because I do not accept the myth. Those who come to convert are the messengers of a powerless superstition. Muhammad was a fraud and merely stole children's stories from the Jews. The Jews scared Muhammad because he was illiterate and they had the Holy Torah. Muhammad was scared of The Book. The Muttaqûn remain in fear of the Jewish Book. The Koran is powerless. Allah is powerless.


For every Muslim who steps forward to scare the foolish and the children with their stories of a powerless god, one of us will step forward with the truth and a curse for Allah.


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Rathpig wrote:
muhammad rasullah wrote:You are contradicting yourself by trying to discredit Allah and his attributes.

Allah discredits himself by his admission that he is a myth. Allah is either like the Zâlimûn or the Qabîluhu. He either violates his own divinity, or he is a myth created to scare children.


You have been explained the logical error of your superstition by Fallibleone.

I will show you the religious error: Allah has not the least power over me. I can curse Allah. I can call Allah swine, and Allah is powerless. Nothing binds me to Allah because I do not accept the myth. Those who come to convert are the messengers of a powerless superstition. Muhammad was a fraud and merely stole children's stories from the Jews. The Jews scared Muhammad because he was illiterate and they had the Holy Torah. Muhammad was scared of The Book. The Muttaqûn remain in fear of the Jewish Book. The Koran is powerless. Allah is powerless.


For every Muslim who steps forward to scare the foolish and the children with their stories of a powerless god, one of us will step forward with the truth and a curse for Allah.


Radiya 'Llahu 'anhu

Radiya 'Llahu 'anhu

Radiya 'Llahu 'anhu



lol

I don't see how this makes Allah powerless...? Because you can curse at Him ... he has no power? Mmmm.. That's interesting.

LOL I don't even think you knew what you were saying when you said "Radiya 'Llahu 'anhu."

You know this reminded me of a few lines in the Quran. " To those who reject faith. I worship not what you worship. Nor will you worship what I worship....To you be your way and to me mine."

Yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But, don't disrespect other religions while stating yours. That's quite immature and not respectful.

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Ms_Maryam wrote:But, don't disrespect other religions while stating yours.
Some have proselytized Islam in this thread. I have proselytized reason and sanity. My only "religion" is to deny superstition.


I know very well the phrase "Radiya 'Llahu 'anhu", and may god be pleased with him who calls god powerless. And Allah is very much powerless as has been demonstrated.

Name a single thing which Allah can not do.


I can name many.


The greatest weakness is that any Kafir can curse his name before the submitted ones and the submitted ones must accept this curse. It is nothing personal, but the submitted ones proselytized Islam. I am balancing the favor.

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Rathpig wrote:
Ms_Maryam wrote:But, don't disrespect other religions while stating yours.
Some have proselytized Islam in this thread. I have proselytized reason and sanity. My only "religion" is to deny superstition.


I know very well the phrase "Radiya 'Llahu 'anhu", and may god be pleased with him who calls god powerless. And Allah is very much powerless as has been demonstrated.

Name a single thing which Allah can not do.


I can name many.


The greatest weakness is that any Kafir can curse his name before the submitted ones and the submitted ones must accept this curse. It is nothing personal, but the submitted ones proselytized Islam. I am balancing the favor.

There is nothing wrong with stating your opinion. Even though I don't agree, I respect it and we can leave it at that/

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Rathpig wrote:
muhammad rasullah wrote:You are contradicting yourself by trying to discredit Allah and his attributes.

Allah discredits himself by his admission that he is a myth. Allah is either like the Zâlimûn or the Qabîluhu. He either violates his own divinity, or he is a myth created to scare children.


You have been explained the logical error of your superstition by Fallibleone.

I will show you the religious error: Allah has not the least power over me. I can curse Allah. I can call Allah swine, and Allah is powerless. Nothing binds me to Allah because I do not accept the myth. Those who come to convert are the messengers of a powerless superstition. Muhammad was a fraud and merely stole children's stories from the Jews. The Jews scared Muhammad because he was illiterate and they had the Holy Torah. Muhammad was scared of The Book. The Muttaqûn remain in fear of the Jewish Book. The Koran is powerless. Allah is powerless.


For every Muslim who steps forward to scare the foolish and the children with their stories of a powerless god, one of us will step forward with the truth and a curse for Allah.


Radiya 'Llahu 'anhu

Radiya 'Llahu 'anhu

Radiya 'Llahu 'anhu



lol

hello rathpig,

allah(saw) is surely all powerful(without any doubts),

but then he has created , this world with a set of laws , and he has imposed those laws on himself as well(but not strictly)

he has decided a final day for all of the accountability of all of our deeds, and he has himself decided not to interfere in between.

but it is not so that he cannot, and we can even find examples of people getting their punishments in different ways in this life as well.

so as far as your cursing allah(swt) is concerned, he surely might not do anything, or he might ,
but still , you wont be able to escape on the day of judgement, so for you particularly he dosent needs to interfere, as for him your matter will not be left unjudged.



and yes i request you that we should maintain a certain degree of respect, if not for allah(swt), then atleast for a healthy debate.
a religion should not be obsereved from its followers ,but from its scriptures and established facts.
because followers can be misleading.


wa aakhirud dawaana anilhamdulillahi rabbilaalameen

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