there Is No God?

[TheHate]

Hi everyone i am ashley, i am a senior in high school age 17
i just wanted to discuss the matter of religon
my mom has always gone to church and what-not
and tried getting me to go.
I agreed but did not like it...
i felt in my mind
how can you bealive some invisable man up in the sky, he gives you 10 things not to do, and if you do them you go to a fiery world?
does that should like love to you?
personally me it did not
and then to think, i get a person on my game messaging me daily saying "God loves you' EVERY DAY! i usually curse at him and not speak to him for a bit. But we had a heated debate on religion and i said"Tell me how you bealive something that has no proven facts NON" and he replys "because i have faith" , In retaliation i said "what if you are wrong?, what if there is nothing and you wasted your whole life"? and he replyed "i would have done it out of love"
Mind you, he is about 13 , but how are you going to waste your entiere life on something that may not exist . Then i relized, i am Atheists because i have had so many discustions on this that it is entierlly to confusing so Atheists is the way to go in my opinion.
But if anyone has anything to say otherwise i gues...enlighten me
but also my mind may not be changed easly
my mind is not easly corrupted

[McCulloch]

There is no atheists!
Only confused uninformed secular humanist heathen unbelievers who have succumbed to the mind numbing drivel spoon fed to them in their little rumor mills (school system) that indoctrinated you at a young age to speculation and conjecture that is baseless and untenable inventive interpretation of data to attempt to support their unbelieving priori.
In other words.
Your wrong!

Biker

Thank you Biker for your respectful and well thought out rebuttal. Your lack of grammar, use of name calling and completely unsupported assertions should sway any reasonable person.

[Biker]

Should atheists be allowed to celebrate CHRISTmas, or be on vacation because of the celebration of CHRISTS birth?
I think all heathen unbelieving atheists should get their own holiday, and have to work on this one.
Maybe antichristday, or scroogeday, or unbelieving humorless snobday, you know something along those lines would be appropriate.
atheists also should not be so precocious to say Merry Christmas to anyone as it is nothing but ingenuous and meaningless and facetious, to them.
Actually they should go start their own country, because they are reaping the benefit of God given Christian blessings in this one.
They could start their own country with secular humanism based moral relativism, and antichrist theology based unbelief. It would be interesting to see the success of that little experiment.
Hey, wait, thats already been tried, I forgot, it was called Sodom and Gomorrah!
You could smell the sulphur for miles and miles and miles.
Whoops, Babylon, that was a success too, still a pile of rubble, to this day!
Tyre, what a community!
Sidon, what a metropolis!
Have a Merry blessed CHRISTmas atheists, because of the all true and just God, Jesus Christ!
Don't forget, He died for you too! But your to blind, arrogant, and self loving to receive it.

Biker

[Biker]

There is no atheists!
Only confused uninformed secular humanist heathen unbelievers who have succumbed to the mind numbing drivel spoon fed to them in their little rumor mills (school system) that indoctrinated you at a young age to speculation and conjecture that is baseless and untenable inventive interpretation of data to attempt to support their unbelieving priori.
In other words.
Your wrong!

Biker

Thank you Biker for your respectful and well thought out rebuttal. Your lack of grammar, use of name calling and completely unsupported assertions should sway any reasonable person.

reasonable person

What is that?
I assert that, hell will be full of "reasonable persons"!

Biker

[McCulloch]

Should atheists be allowed to celebrate CHRISTmas, or be on vacation because of the celebration of CHRISTS birth?

We all should be allowed to celebrate whatever we like. It is called freedom. I agree with you that having a statutory holiday on the basis of one specific religion is probably a violation of the separation of church and state, but only a grinch would really try to oppose it.

I think all heathen unbelieving atheists should get their own holiday, and have to work on this one.
Maybe antichristday, or scroogeday, or unbelieving humorless snobday, you know something along those lines would be appropriate.

Or Labour Day or New Year's Day. What makes you imply that unbelievers are humourless? My Methodist grandmother was humourless. My in-laws Calvinist Church is elitist.

[Biker]

Should atheists be allowed to celebrate CHRISTmas, or be on vacation because of the celebration of CHRISTS birth?

We all should be allowed to celebrate whatever we like. It is called freedom. I agree with you that having a statutory holiday on the basis of one specific religion is probably a violation of the separation of church and state, but only a grinch would really try to oppose it.

I think all heathen unbelieving atheists should get their own holiday, and have to work on this one.
Maybe antichristday, or scroogeday, or unbelieving humorless snobday, you know something along those lines would be appropriate.

Or Labour Day or New Year's Day. What makes you imply that unbelievers are humourless? My Methodist grandmother was humourless. My in-laws Calvinist Church is elitist.

Isn't it illogical and unreasonable for an atheist to celebrate CHRISTmas?
Isn't it very disingenuous and two faced for an atheist to have anything to do with CHRISTmas?
I think it is a joke for an atheist to have anything to do with CHRISTmas!

Biker

[Biker]

Should atheists be allowed to celebrate CHRISTmas, or be on vacation because of the celebration of CHRISTS birth?

We all should be allowed to celebrate whatever we like. It is called freedom. I agree with you that having a statutory holiday on the basis of one specific religion is probably a violation of the separation of church and state, but only a grinch would really try to oppose it.

I think all heathen unbelieving atheists should get their own holiday, and have to work on this one.
Maybe antichristday, or scroogeday, or unbelieving humorless snobday, you know something along those lines would be appropriate.

Or Labour Day or New Year's Day. What makes you imply that unbelievers are humourless? My Methodist grandmother was humourless. My in-laws Calvinist Church is elitist.

It is obvious that the term "separation of Church and state" is an atheist term!
The language is government shall establish no religion.
Which obviously had happened in England.
And which obviously our astute forefathers didn't want government to do here!
The clause is to keep government out of religion, not the other way around!
Our forefathers held Church gatherings in all the federal buildings including congress, supreme court, white house, etc etc etc.
Their intent is clear!
Christianity is exactly what is needed dominating politics right now!
Just as then, with the signers of the Constitution!
Merry CHRISTmas!

Biker

[Biker]

There is no atheists!
Only confused uninformed secular humanist heathen unbelievers who have succumbed to the mind numbing drivel spoon fed to them in their little rumor mills (school system) that indoctrinated you at a young age to speculation and conjecture that is baseless and untenable inventive interpretation of data to attempt to support their unbelieving priori.
In other words.
Your wrong!

Biker

Thank you Biker for your respectful and well thought out rebuttal. Your lack of grammar, use of name calling and completely unsupported assertions should sway any reasonable person.

I see, even you, an atheist got the message.

Biker

[Biker]

Should atheists be allowed to celebrate CHRISTmas, or be on vacation because of the celebration of CHRISTS birth?

We all should be allowed to celebrate whatever we like. It is called freedom. I agree with you that having a statutory holiday on the basis of one specific religion is probably a violation of the separation of church and state, but only a grinch would really try to oppose it.

I think all heathen unbelieving atheists should get their own holiday, and have to work on this one.
Maybe antichristday, or scroogeday, or unbelieving humorless snobday, you know something along those lines would be appropriate.

Or Labour Day or New Year's Day. What makes you imply that unbelievers are humourless? My Methodist grandmother was humourless. My in-laws Calvinist Church is elitist.

It is called freedom.

Yes, you enjoy the freedom to express your nonsensical atheism, because the writers and signers of the Constitution were dominated by Christian believers writing in Christian tenants into the document!
I wonder what the document would have read had the writers been dominated by atheists?
Moral relativism, secular humanism, the country would have been doomed to failure, as is possible now because of the heathen unbelievers reinterpretation and rewriting of laws to satisfy the shifting winds of moral relativism.
As example: the homosexual issue (immorality), abortion (murder), the atheist diatribe of "separation of church and state" (Godlessness).

Biker

[zoro]

TheHate:

As you can see from the posts in this thread, you can receive some good advice and some really stupid comments (an example of the later being Biker’s). I concur with cnorman18’s comment that it would be better if you sought ideas and information from books rather than from any forum. In that regard, I’d encourage you to read Sam Harris’ “The End of Faith”. In addition, you might want to at least look at my own book, posted at www.zenofzero.net , which I wrote explicitly to explain to my granddaughter (also 17 and a senior in high school) why I have concluded: “Belief in god is bad science and even worse policy.”

[McCulloch]

Isn't it illogical and unreasonable for an atheist to celebrate CHRISTmas?

No, it is just fun.

Isn't it very disingenuous and two faced for an atheist to have anything to do with CHRISTmas?

There is very little about modern Christmas that has anything to do with Jesus Christ. Or haven't you noticed.

I think it is a joke for an atheist to have anything to do with CHRISTmas!

I like a good joke. We humourless atheists need them.

It is obvious that the term "separation of Church and state" is an atheist term!

I thought that Jefferson was a deist.

The language is government shall establish no religion.
Which obviously had happened in England.

Sixteenth century has an established religion. Modern England has a nominally established religion.

And which obviously our astute forefathers didn't want government to do here!
The clause is to keep government out of religion, not the other way around!

The practice in most western democracies goes both ways.

Our forefathers held Church gatherings in all the federal buildings including congress, supreme court, white house, etc etc etc.
Their intent is clear!

Yes, it is a good thing that we have progressed since then.

Christianity is exactly what is needed dominating politics right now!

And bring such brilliant lights as Huckabee to the most powerful executive position on Earth. Please, no!

Yes, you enjoy the freedom to express your nonsensical atheism, because the writers and signers of the Constitution were dominated by Christian believers writing in Christian tenants into the document!

Actually, I don't. My freedoms are expressed in the Constitution Act. But the principles are similar.

BTW, which Christian tenets are expressed in the US Constitution?

I wonder what the document would have read had the writers been dominated by atheists?

Read the Constitution Act, 1982. It was written by mostly secularists. The US Constitution was written by a mixture of Christians and deists wasn't it?

Moral relativism, secular humanism, the country would have been doomed to failure, as is possible now because of the heathen unbelievers reinterpretation and rewriting of laws to satisfy the shifting winds of moral relativism.
As example: the homosexual issue (immorality), abortion (murder), the atheist diatribe of "separation of church and state" (Godlessness).

My country does not seem to be suffering from allowing same sex marriage.