The Koran agrees that Jesus was born from a virgin and Mohammed was not
The Koran agrees that Jesus did miracles but makes no mention of any miracles Mohammed did
The Koran agrees that a prophet can never lie. Jesus called Himself Son of God and even God Himself on many occasions and also accepted worship from people.
The Koran agrees that Jesus is the Messiah and Mohammed is not.
So, from this, it must be concluded that Jesus is a superior prophet than Mohammed.
Jesus is a superior prophet to Mohammed
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Post #31It is a known fact that Mohammed had intercourse with a very young little girl.
One can assume that the father was trying to score browny points with Mohammed, selfishly trying to get himself upper scores in heaven, and therefore gave his daughter to him for mariage.
I can therefore understand why some would conclude that he was a pervert.
But on this site, if two or even more people know about this, it still can't (is not allowed) to be mentioned unless one can give some scientific report with validated photos and afidavids and I don't know what else and then even if we could deliver this, the arguments will still role as to whether the pictures and the afidavids are authentic.
It has been said by many people that Mohammed was a pervert, a violent murderer, a selfish deceiver, a false prophet and a horribly wicked man.
Anyway, I don't want to spend time focussing on Mohammed and what is believed to be his wicked and intimidating ways.
It is much more constructive, I believe, to glorify Jesus.
One can assume that the father was trying to score browny points with Mohammed, selfishly trying to get himself upper scores in heaven, and therefore gave his daughter to him for mariage.
I can therefore understand why some would conclude that he was a pervert.
But on this site, if two or even more people know about this, it still can't (is not allowed) to be mentioned unless one can give some scientific report with validated photos and afidavids and I don't know what else and then even if we could deliver this, the arguments will still role as to whether the pictures and the afidavids are authentic.
It has been said by many people that Mohammed was a pervert, a violent murderer, a selfish deceiver, a false prophet and a horribly wicked man.
Anyway, I don't want to spend time focussing on Mohammed and what is believed to be his wicked and intimidating ways.
It is much more constructive, I believe, to glorify Jesus.
Post #32
This is a strange little thread. Rather entertaining to think about really.
OP starts with a list of criteria upon which to judge the superiority of comparative prophets.
It begs all kinds of questions. Superiority is in the business of value...and people value different things differently. I like one brand of swiss cheese better than the other brand. So, my valuing of the these brands will hold universally for others....my taste buds or my brain hooked to the buds are all universal equipment? My wife tells me different.
Then, there is a certain mathematical quality to the Superiority gig. Superior by how much? If its 10% or even 20%, is that something I should give a whole lot of thought to. Kohls may have a little better shirt than Target, but the Target store is closer, and gas costs a lot. Crunch the numbers, baby.
And, as someone pointed out before. Even if we granted op all her points in the OP, so what? Does that list exhaust the possibilities for comparison, or could just a completely different list be a better list?
Finally, there is the value question of the term prophet. If Jesus is a better prophet, the question is begged: Why do I need a prophet? In my town, one roofer is better than the other. Right now, my roof is perfect. I just had a new roof put on. Which leads to a subsequent question: Would one need a prophet all the time?
OP starts with a list of criteria upon which to judge the superiority of comparative prophets.
It begs all kinds of questions. Superiority is in the business of value...and people value different things differently. I like one brand of swiss cheese better than the other brand. So, my valuing of the these brands will hold universally for others....my taste buds or my brain hooked to the buds are all universal equipment? My wife tells me different.
Then, there is a certain mathematical quality to the Superiority gig. Superior by how much? If its 10% or even 20%, is that something I should give a whole lot of thought to. Kohls may have a little better shirt than Target, but the Target store is closer, and gas costs a lot. Crunch the numbers, baby.
And, as someone pointed out before. Even if we granted op all her points in the OP, so what? Does that list exhaust the possibilities for comparison, or could just a completely different list be a better list?
Finally, there is the value question of the term prophet. If Jesus is a better prophet, the question is begged: Why do I need a prophet? In my town, one roofer is better than the other. Right now, my roof is perfect. I just had a new roof put on. Which leads to a subsequent question: Would one need a prophet all the time?
Post #33
If your beloved sister was involved in a relationship with a man who was a total washout, a woman beater, a violent maniac, who managed to get her to believe in him and to be loyal to him...how would you approach her. I mean if you really really love your sister and your heart is bleeding over the situation.Jonah wrote:This is a strange little thread. Rather entertaining to think about really.
OP starts with a list of criteria upon which to judge the superiority of comparative prophets.
It begs all kinds of questions. Superiority is in the business of value...and people value different things differently. I like one brand of swiss cheese better than the other brand. So, my valuing of the these brands will hold universally for others....my taste buds or my brain hooked to the buds are all universal equipment? My wife tells me different.
Then, there is a certain mathematical quality to the Superiority gig. Superior by how much? If its 10% or even 20%, is that something I should give a whole lot of thought to. Kohls may have a little better shirt than Target, but the Target store is closer, and gas costs a lot. Crunch the numbers, baby.
And, as someone pointed out before. Even if we granted op all her points in the OP, so what? Does that list exhaust the possibilities for comparison, or could just a completely different list be a better list?
Finally, there is the value question of the term prophet. If Jesus is a better prophet, the question is begged: Why do I need a prophet? In my town, one roofer is better than the other. Right now, my roof is perfect. I just had a new roof put on. Which leads to a subsequent question: Would one need a prophet all the time?
To walk straight to your sister exposing this man to be a fraud, she would turn against you, resist you and won't listen to you.
And you don't want that.
So perhaps you would choose a more gentle approach.
To gently and gradually open her eyes to the true colours of this man.
Perhaps you can read between the lines now, what this thread is about...
Post #34
Yolande,
Well, then. Perhaps you should have made the thread about that.
If your intent is to simply argue that Muhammad was a bad person, why not just do that? If the dude was a horrible person, it really doesn't matter if he was a prophet, a baker, or a candlestick maker.
Well, then. Perhaps you should have made the thread about that.
If your intent is to simply argue that Muhammad was a bad person, why not just do that? If the dude was a horrible person, it really doesn't matter if he was a prophet, a baker, or a candlestick maker.
Post #35
My experience is, that when people are extremely fixed in a spesific belief system, they will forcefully reject the truth if you bring it to them outright. They will not even listen. No matter if you can prove it how well.Jonah wrote:Yolande,
Well, then. Perhaps you should have made the thread about that.
If your intent is to simply argue that Muhammad was a bad person, why not just do that? If the dude was a horrible person, it really doesn't matter if he was a prophet, a baker, or a candlestick maker.
My true intent is not to try and win some argument, but to somehow by sublte suggestions, bring Muslim people to a place of being a little bit more ripe and open to truth.
Jesus loves. Muhammed intimidates. But one thing that I have to work with, is tha Muslims believe Jesus is a prophet. And that is something to work with.
Post #36
It is based on the presumed premises that he is a prophet, a representative of God Almighty, that this man has the influence and gained authority, to bring about bondage, and severely so, in billions of people's lives.Jonah wrote: If the dude was a horrible person, it really doesn't matter if he was a prophet, a baker, or a candlestick maker.
Do you have any idea how oppressed Muslim woman are. And how terribly violent their faith really is? There is no love. And fear is keeping them from even questioning anything.
Fear. Intimidation and fear is the hold. People are threatened if they just in the least way accomodate any doubt about Muhammed.
Your very own people would try to kill you, even your own family, if you are a Muslim who receive Jesus as your Saviour.
I care about these people.
Post #37
Yolande,
Perhaps you should start a new thread. You are not going to succeed through crafty subtle ways here. It's a debate and discussion forum where things get thrashed about in the open air.
You should be honest with folks here. Drop the reading between the lines thing. Say what you mean.
Perhaps you should start a new thread. You are not going to succeed through crafty subtle ways here. It's a debate and discussion forum where things get thrashed about in the open air.
You should be honest with folks here. Drop the reading between the lines thing. Say what you mean.
Post #38
Love is not about winning arguments, but about touching and changing hearts.Jonah wrote:Yolande,
Perhaps you should start a new thread. You are not going to succeed through crafty subtle ways here. It's a debate and discussion forum where things get thrashed about in the open air.
You should be honest with folks here. Drop the reading between the lines thing. Say what you mean.
And Christianity is about bringing truth in love, it's about bringing Jesus to people.
Do you know that Jesus loves you Jonah?
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Post #39
Debate is not about winning arguments either. It is about challenging beliefs and thus seeking to remove error.Yolande wrote:Love is not about winning arguments, but about touching and changing hearts.
Yet you make no effort to show that what you bring is truth. You make assertions (see below) yet provide no reason for any of us to believe your assertions.Yolande wrote:And Christianity is about bringing truth in love, it's about bringing Jesus to people.
No, I don't. Maybe if you hum a few bars, I could jump in. (it's a joke)Yolande wrote:Do you know Jesus loves you Jonah?
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John
Post #40
The proof that Jesus loves you McCulloch, is that I love you, and He is in me.
I think about you every day. Pray for you often. Sometimes it takes me about 5 times to resent a message, for it is not that easy with my blackberry and you don't want to receive an email.
But I persist. Because I care.
I know you are much more intelligent than me.
I could never persuide you with clever arguments.
All I have is love, is His love, and I give it my all to try and understand where you are coming from.
Yet, in all that, have you ever considered, that this is an expression of Jesus's love for you and hearts pursuit of you?
I think about you every day. Pray for you often. Sometimes it takes me about 5 times to resent a message, for it is not that easy with my blackberry and you don't want to receive an email.
But I persist. Because I care.
I know you are much more intelligent than me.
I could never persuide you with clever arguments.
All I have is love, is His love, and I give it my all to try and understand where you are coming from.
Yet, in all that, have you ever considered, that this is an expression of Jesus's love for you and hearts pursuit of you?
