Muslims worship Muhammad…

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

OK, now no muslim would state that they worship Muhammad. They may even believe that they worship Allah alone, but their actions and creedal testimonies put Muhammad in a position that other religions reserve for God. Even Yeshua‘ in the Bible, and ancient Assyrians, as well as other pagan groups, exhorted that we as people imitate God to achieve the Good Life. Yeshua‘, for example, repeatedly states that people should copy God’s sense of mercy, justice, etc. Muslims, however, do their utmost to emulate Muhammad.

A couple of quotes. The first from the excellent contemporary scholarly book called Muslims: Their religious beliefs and practices by Andrew Rippin (don’t let the title fool you — he delves deep into the various elements that have combined to form Islam from its pre–history to the present day and includes current scholarship on Islam, challenging traditionally–accepted views on Islamic ‘history’):

While Muslims may think those who deny the existence of God or who utter blasphemies about Him are misguided, such discussions will not offend in the same manner in which discussions over Muhammad will. Those who insinuate evil of Muhammad or who cast aspersions on him are considered to be insulting Islam. This, upon consideration, is not surprising.

I know this myself, from having grown up in an Islamic community. It means muslims put Muhammad at the centre of Islam, not Allah! And the reactions Rippin notes above made me recall a passage I read in an autobiographical work by Ziauddin Sardar, a well–written and witty, not to mention interesting, book called Desperately Seeking Paradise. In this extract Sardar details his reaction to reading Rushdie’s The Satanic Verses:

Rushdie had plundered everything I hold dear and despoiled the inner sanctum of my identity. Every word was directed at me and I took everything personally. This is how, I remember thinking, it must feel to be raped… The life of the Prophet Muhammad is the source of Muslim identity. Muslims do not merely emulate his character and personality and follow his sayings and actions: it is the Prophet Muhammad who provides them with the ultimate reason for being a Muslim.

I do wonder if he or others would react like this if someone spoke out against Allah as opposed to Muhammad. Presented for your consideration: the reaction of muslims worldwide to the Danish cartoons (nobody lampooned Allah, only Muhammad), and the case of the Teddy Bear Named Muhammad (I recall some sources referring to this as ‘blasphemy’ — surely only a crime against God ranks as blasphemy?).

[VermilionUK]

OK, now no muslim would state that they worship Muhammad. They may even believe that they worship Allah alone, but their actions and creedal testimonies put Muhammad in a position that other religions reserve for God. Even Yeshua� in the Bible, and ancient Assyrians, as well as other pagan groups, exhorted that we as people imitate God to achieve the Good Life. Yeshua�, for example, repeatedly states that people should copy God�s sense of mercy, justice, etc. Muslims, however, do their utmost to emulate Muhammad.

A couple of quotes. The first from the excellent contemporary scholarly book called Muslims: Their religious beliefs and practices by Andrew Rippin (don�t let the title fool you � he delves deep into the various elements that have combined to form Islam from its pre�history to the present day and includes current scholarship on Islam, challenging traditionally�accepted views on Islamic �history�):

While Muslims may think those who deny the existence of God or who utter blasphemies about Him are misguided, such discussions will not offend in the same manner in which discussions over Muhammad will. Those who insinuate evil of Muhammad or who cast aspersions on him are considered to be insulting Islam. This, upon consideration, is not surprising.

I know this myself, from having grown up in an Islamic community. It means muslims put Muhammad at the centre of Islam, not Allah! And the reactions Rippin notes above made me recall a passage I read in an autobiographical work by Ziauddin Sardar, a well�written and witty, not to mention interesting, book called Desperately Seeking Paradise. In this extract Sardar details his reaction to reading Rushdie�s The Satanic Verses:

Rushdie had plundered everything I hold dear and despoiled the inner sanctum of my identity. Every word was directed at me and I took everything personally. This is how, I remember thinking, it must feel to be raped� The life of the Prophet Muhammad is the source of Muslim identity. Muslims do not merely emulate his character and personality and follow his sayings and actions: it is the Prophet Muhammad who provides them with the ultimate reason for being a Muslim.

I do wonder if he or others would react like this if someone spoke out against Allah as opposed to Muhammad. Presented for your consideration: the reaction of muslims worldwide to the Danish cartoons (nobody lampooned Allah, only Muhammad), and the case of the Teddy Bear Named Muhammad (I recall some sources referring to this as �blasphemy� � surely only a crime against God ranks as blasphemy?).

Crying foul every time a cartoon depicts Muhammad is their way of making you submit to them, and give them the authoritative say on what God wants from you. It is their way of spreading their religion. It is their way of making everyone in the world submit to Muhammad. It is a power play.

From the way you write your posts - one could conclude that you would like "everyone in the world" submit to your religion.

[Bag-Of-Hammers]

OK, now no muslim would state that they worship Muhammad. They may even believe that they worship Allah alone, but their actions and creedal testimonies put Muhammad in a position that other religions reserve for God. Even Yeshua� in the Bible, and ancient Assyrians, as well as other pagan groups, exhorted that we as people imitate God to achieve the Good Life. Yeshua�, for example, repeatedly states that people should copy God�s sense of mercy, justice, etc. Muslims, however, do their utmost to emulate Muhammad.

A couple of quotes. The first from the excellent contemporary scholarly book called Muslims: Their religious beliefs and practices by Andrew Rippin (don�t let the title fool you � he delves deep into the various elements that have combined to form Islam from its pre�history to the present day and includes current scholarship on Islam, challenging traditionally�accepted views on Islamic �history�):

While Muslims may think those who deny the existence of God or who utter blasphemies about Him are misguided, such discussions will not offend in the same manner in which discussions over Muhammad will. Those who insinuate evil of Muhammad or who cast aspersions on him are considered to be insulting Islam. This, upon consideration, is not surprising.

I know this myself, from having grown up in an Islamic community. It means muslims put Muhammad at the centre of Islam, not Allah! And the reactions Rippin notes above made me recall a passage I read in an autobiographical work by Ziauddin Sardar, a well�written and witty, not to mention interesting, book called Desperately Seeking Paradise. In this extract Sardar details his reaction to reading Rushdie�s The Satanic Verses:

Rushdie had plundered everything I hold dear and despoiled the inner sanctum of my identity. Every word was directed at me and I took everything personally. This is how, I remember thinking, it must feel to be raped� The life of the Prophet Muhammad is the source of Muslim identity. Muslims do not merely emulate his character and personality and follow his sayings and actions: it is the Prophet Muhammad who provides them with the ultimate reason for being a Muslim.

I do wonder if he or others would react like this if someone spoke out against Allah as opposed to Muhammad. Presented for your consideration: the reaction of muslims worldwide to the Danish cartoons (nobody lampooned Allah, only Muhammad), and the case of the Teddy Bear Named Muhammad (I recall some sources referring to this as �blasphemy� � surely only a crime against God ranks as blasphemy?).

Crying foul every time a cartoon depicts Muhammad is their way of making you submit to them, and give them the authoritative say on what God wants from you. It is their way of spreading their religion. It is their way of making everyone in the world submit to Muhammad. It is a power play.

From the way you write your posts - one could conclude that you would like "everyone in the world" submit to your religion.

GOd is not about making people do what he wants them to do through submission, but If you don't humble yourself in the light of the truth, you are not likely to go forth with the one true God at your beconning call, I can tell you that. Either you are with the truth, or you are with something that might not even resemble the truth. Keep in mind for future Karmas, if your relationship with God is separated by a false religion and you continue to lie to his good people about who God is he just might get jealous and hurt. Remember Saddom and Gammorah. Forcing people to not draw an avatar representing Muhammad infringes on our rights. It is rediculous.

[TrueReligion]

The romans are not part of west? from middle east, the Jews were in small#, mostly terror plots were made by ROMANS, which I agree as wat you said, but keep in mind, while quoting west,does'nt mean only US or Canada, its used as an expression for europe, including Romans etc etc,. So I dont feel logic arguing with this point, and bringing the discussion away fromthe post.
If you have any evidence that any muslim worship Muhammad, bring it on, otherwise this post is not relevant

Do you understand english? I stated not only at that time was rome part of the west it was the ONLY entity that could be called the west at the time. The website you provided stated the romans were the victims of terrorist attacks not the perpetrators so guess what that means you were wrong the west is not the source of terrorism as you claimed. In fact according to your own link islam is one of the founders of terrorism.

No,I thnk you are mistaken, Islam started after a long time, can;t you see the era mentiond there? was any Muslim attaacking that time?
Its true that christians were behind all the attacks and terrorism in the world

Any way, I want to be on topic, if you have any claim for any Muslim worshipping Muhammad, bring it on, any question beside this will not be answered as debate rule.

[TrueReligion]

OK, now no muslim would state that they worship Muhammad. They may even believe that they worship Allah alone, but their actions and creedal testimonies put Muhammad in a position that other religions reserve for God. Even Yeshua� in the Bible, and ancient Assyrians, as well as other pagan groups, exhorted that we as people imitate God to achieve the Good Life. Yeshua�, for example, repeatedly states that people should copy God�s sense of mercy, justice, etc. Muslims, however, do their utmost to emulate Muhammad.

A couple of quotes. The first from the excellent contemporary scholarly book called Muslims: Their religious beliefs and practices by Andrew Rippin (don�t let the title fool you � he delves deep into the various elements that have combined to form Islam from its pre�history to the present day and includes current scholarship on Islam, challenging traditionally�accepted views on Islamic �history�):

While Muslims may think those who deny the existence of God or who utter blasphemies about Him are misguided, such discussions will not offend in the same manner in which discussions over Muhammad will. Those who insinuate evil of Muhammad or who cast aspersions on him are considered to be insulting Islam. This, upon consideration, is not surprising.

I know this myself, from having grown up in an Islamic community. It means muslims put Muhammad at the centre of Islam, not Allah! And the reactions Rippin notes above made me recall a passage I read in an autobiographical work by Ziauddin Sardar, a well�written and witty, not to mention interesting, book called Desperately Seeking Paradise. In this extract Sardar details his reaction to reading Rushdie�s The Satanic Verses:

Rushdie had plundered everything I hold dear and despoiled the inner sanctum of my identity. Every word was directed at me and I took everything personally. This is how, I remember thinking, it must feel to be raped� The life of the Prophet Muhammad is the source of Muslim identity. Muslims do not merely emulate his character and personality and follow his sayings and actions: it is the Prophet Muhammad who provides them with the ultimate reason for being a Muslim.

I do wonder if he or others would react like this if someone spoke out against Allah as opposed to Muhammad. Presented for your consideration: the reaction of muslims worldwide to the Danish cartoons (nobody lampooned Allah, only Muhammad), and the case of the Teddy Bear Named Muhammad (I recall some sources referring to this as �blasphemy� � surely only a crime against God ranks as blasphemy?).

Crying foul every time a cartoon depicts Muhammad is their way of making you submit to them, and give them the authoritative say on what God wants from you. It is their way of spreading their religion. It is their way of making everyone in the world submit to Muhammad. It is a power play.

Till now you havelnt provided any claim for your statements, its allof no use, and nobody can accept it as its not supported by evidence

[TrueReligion]

OK, now no muslim would state that they worship Muhammad. They may even believe that they worship Allah alone, but their actions and creedal testimonies put Muhammad in a position that other religions reserve for God. Even Yeshua� in the Bible, and ancient Assyrians, as well as other pagan groups, exhorted that we as people imitate God to achieve the Good Life. Yeshua�, for example, repeatedly states that people should copy God�s sense of mercy, justice, etc. Muslims, however, do their utmost to emulate Muhammad.

A couple of quotes. The first from the excellent contemporary scholarly book called Muslims: Their religious beliefs and practices by Andrew Rippin (don�t let the title fool you � he delves deep into the various elements that have combined to form Islam from its pre�history to the present day and includes current scholarship on Islam, challenging traditionally�accepted views on Islamic �history�):

While Muslims may think those who deny the existence of God or who utter blasphemies about Him are misguided, such discussions will not offend in the same manner in which discussions over Muhammad will. Those who insinuate evil of Muhammad or who cast aspersions on him are considered to be insulting Islam. This, upon consideration, is not surprising.

I know this myself, from having grown up in an Islamic community. It means muslims put Muhammad at the centre of Islam, not Allah! And the reactions Rippin notes above made me recall a passage I read in an autobiographical work by Ziauddin Sardar, a well�written and witty, not to mention interesting, book called Desperately Seeking Paradise. In this extract Sardar details his reaction to reading Rushdie�s The Satanic Verses:

Rushdie had plundered everything I hold dear and despoiled the inner sanctum of my identity. Every word was directed at me and I took everything personally. This is how, I remember thinking, it must feel to be raped� The life of the Prophet Muhammad is the source of Muslim identity. Muslims do not merely emulate his character and personality and follow his sayings and actions: it is the Prophet Muhammad who provides them with the ultimate reason for being a Muslim.

I do wonder if he or others would react like this if someone spoke out against Allah as opposed to Muhammad. Presented for your consideration: the reaction of muslims worldwide to the Danish cartoons (nobody lampooned Allah, only Muhammad), and the case of the Teddy Bear Named Muhammad (I recall some sources referring to this as �blasphemy� � surely only a crime against God ranks as blasphemy?).

Crying foul every time a cartoon depicts Muhammad is their way of making you submit to them, and give them the authoritative say on what God wants from you. It is their way of spreading their religion. It is their way of making everyone in the world submit to Muhammad. It is a power play.

From the way you write your posts - one could conclude that you would like "everyone in the world" submit to your religion.

GOd is not about making people do what he wants them to do through submission, but If you don't humble yourself in the light of the truth, you are not likely to go forth with the one true God at your beconning call, I can tell you that. Either you are with the truth, or you are with something that might not even resemble the truth. Keep in mind for future Karmas, if your relationship with God is separated by a false religion and you continue to lie to his good people about who God is he just might get jealous and hurt. Remember Saddom and Gammorah. Forcing people to not draw an avatar representing Muhammad infringes on our rights. It is rediculous.

But muslims worship 1 true God, so wats your point here that Muslims worshipMuhammad, did you see or have any evidence of any muslim worshiping Muhammad?

[Wyvern]

No,I thnk you are mistaken, Islam started after a long time, can;t you see the era mentiond there? was any Muslim attaacking that time?
Its true that christians were behind all the attacks and terrorism in the world

Repeating a claim does not make it true. The very website you cited as evidence of christians being the first terrorists in fact proved the opposite, that muslims were among the first terrorists, in fact because they were the first what they did was named after them, assassins.

[TrueReligion]

No,I thnk you are mistaken, Islam started after a long time, can;t you see the era mentiond there? was any Muslim attaacking that time?
Its true that christians were behind all the attacks and terrorism in the world

Repeating a claim does not make it true. The very website you cited as evidence of christians being the first terrorists in fact proved the opposite, that muslims were among the first terrorists, in fact because they were the first what they did was named after them, assassins.

We are discussing if Muslims worship Muhammad, do you have any claim? otherwise no other thing will be answer to you. Because its just your statments and is not relevant here,

[Wyvern]

No,I thnk you are mistaken, Islam started after a long time, can;t you see the era mentiond there? was any Muslim attaacking that time?
Its true that christians were behind all the attacks and terrorism in the world

Repeating a claim does not make it true. The very website you cited as evidence of christians being the first terrorists in fact proved the opposite, that muslims were among the first terrorists, in fact because they were the first what they did was named after them, assassins.

We are discussing if Muslims worship Muhammad, do you have any claim? otherwise no other thing will be answer to you. Because its just your statments and is not relevant here,

You made a claim about christians being terrorists and I refuted it. If you stop making posts that are untrue and off topic then this wont happen. I used the very website you used to prove christians are terrorists which was not true. Seems childish to me that only after you are shown to be wrong do you then make a gesture to be staying on topic

[Goat]

No,I thnk you are mistaken, Islam started after a long time, can;t you see the era mentiond there? was any Muslim attaacking that time?
Its true that christians were behind all the attacks and terrorism in the world

Repeating a claim does not make it true. The very website you cited as evidence of christians being the first terrorists in fact proved the opposite, that muslims were among the first terrorists, in fact because they were the first what they did was named after them, assassins.

We are discussing if Muslims worship Muhammad, do you have any claim? otherwise no other thing will be answer to you. Because its just your statments and is not relevant here,

Let's first look at the dictionary meaning of worship.

1.
a. The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object.
b. The ceremonies, prayers, or other religious forms by which this love is expressed.
2. Ardent devotion; adoration.
3. often Worship Chiefly British Used as a form of address for magistrates, mayors, and certain other dignitaries: Your Worship.

Let's specifically look at 1.b The ceremonies, prayers or other religious forms where this love is expressed.

and 1A .. the reverent love and devotion accorded to a diety, an idol or a sacred object.

2: Ardent devotion, adoration.


Now, in the vast majority of prayers to Allah, Mohammad his mentioned as his prophet. Muslims are more upset when criticism is put on Mohammad than on Allah. This demonstrates ardent devotion. Since it is religious based, this puts it in a catagory as 'sacred object', since he isn't god.

So, yes, strictly speaking, because of the intense focus of Islam on Mohammed, they do worship him.

[TrueReligion]

No,I thnk you are mistaken, Islam started after a long time, can;t you see the era mentiond there? was any Muslim attaacking that time?
Its true that christians were behind all the attacks and terrorism in the world

Repeating a claim does not make it true. The very website you cited as evidence of christians being the first terrorists in fact proved the opposite, that muslims were among the first terrorists, in fact because they were the first what they did was named after them, assassins.

We are discussing if Muslims worship Muhammad, do you have any claim? otherwise no other thing will be answer to you. Because its just your statments and is not relevant here,

You made a claim about christians being terrorists and I refuted it. If you stop making posts that are untrue and off topic then this wont happen. I used the very website you used to prove christians are terrorists which was not true. Seems childish to me that only after you are shown to be wrong do you then make a gesture to be staying on topic

It was a reply to another person , not for you, what seems childish to you, its same from side towards you aswell.