Compassionate Islam?

[bernee51]

Is this yet another example of Allah the Compassionate...

Pakistani mother of three sentenced to death for blasphemy for supposedly blaspheming the "Prophet" after her offers of bringing water to Muslims was rejected on the grounds that she was a Christian.

1. Should Islam throw of the yoke of such ridiculous laws as as blasphemy? Can it?

2. Where is the compassion and acceptance within this medieval abomination of a beleif system?

[bernee51]

As-Sal�mu Alaykum Murad

We will go in circles for ever over much of this but a couple of things jump out...and I'm pushed for time.

So under Khilafah I would be free to reject Sharia and campaign for a return to a secular approach to jurisdiction.

Sharia is Islamic Governance; the Khilafah is Islamic.
No; you wont be able to abolish the Governance.

Then, history shows, it will never occur.

That is true to a certain extent; because now we have textual evidence on which hadiths are authentic; so ofcourse its not EXACTLY the same because scholarship has changed opinions & perceptions. But the religious scripture is still the same.

A religion reflects its particpants, not the other way round.

This establishes a fact; since the dawn of mankind; there has been a universal thirst for the divine.

Indeed there has...well documented in Aldous Huxley's "Perennial Philosophy" - I hate to be recommendeing another book...but that is almost a 'must read' for anyone interested in the topic.

This pursuit of the 'divine' calls for the question to be asked - 'from whence does it come'. As there is no evidence of the divine outside of human constructs, putting aside for a moment your opinions regarding the impossibility of existence, it would seem obvious that the concept of 'divine' - from a human perspective - stems from the place I mentioned earlier...from the evolved ability mankind has to ask "Who am I?"

[Murad]

Wa Alaykum-us-Salam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuh

Our differences are strictly subjective; we both have different view points.

I've enjoyed talking to you; hopefully you have with me

[bernee51]

Wa Alaykum-us-Salam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuh

Our differences are strictly subjective; we both have different view points.

I've enjoyed talking to you; hopefully you have with me

Wa alaikum assalaam

All differences are ultimately subjective...drilling down I suspect we have much more in common than those minor (but significant nonetheless) differences.

A good conversation, thank you.

saÄŸ olun

[Murad]

saÄŸ olun

Do you know turkish?

[Goat]

saÄŸ olun

Do you know turkish?

I know three words in Turkish. Bath, Towel and Taffy

[Murad]

saÄŸ olun

Do you know turkish?

I know three words in Turkish. Bath, Towel and Taffy

Nice I guess you got Turkish friends; i personally speak English, Turkish, Kurdish, and a bit of Arabic(very small amount).

[bernee51]

saÄŸ olun

Do you know turkish?

As mentioned I spent some time travelling in Turkey...I try to learn a few words.

BTW you mentioned about god....

Because he is absolute; he does not change:

All beings are defined by their characteristics...Allah has at least 99 names which are characteristics.

At some time, according to your beliefs Allah created the universe.

Before creating the universe one of the characteristics was "he who had not created"...after creation he became "he who had created".

IOW he changed, and is therefore not unchanging.

[Murad]

BTW you mentioned about god....

Because he is absolute; he does not change:

All beings are defined by their characteristics...Allah has at least 99 names which are characteristics.

At some time, according to your beliefs Allah created the universe.

Before creating the universe one of the characteristics was "he who had not created"...after creation he became "he who had created".

IOW he changed, and is therefore not unchanging.

Interesting approach.

I believe your talking about the name Al-Khaliq; which basically means "the creator"; not "he who had created"

Al-Khaliq means; he has the power to create thus he is "the creator"; very simple.



If you need more clarification about Islam; feel free to ask.

[bernee51]

BTW you mentioned about god....

Because he is absolute; he does not change:

All beings are defined by their characteristics...Allah has at least 99 names which are characteristics.

At some time, according to your beliefs Allah created the universe.

Before creating the universe one of the characteristics was "he who had not created"...after creation he became "he who had created".

IOW he changed, and is therefore not unchanging.

Interesting approach.

I believe your talking about the name Al-Khaliq; which basically means "the creator"; not "he who had created"

Al-Khaliq means; he has the power to create thus he is "the creator"; very simple.

And what was he before he was the 'creator'? When he had not created? He was the 'yet to create'?

Not unchanging - he became he who has created.

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If you need more clarification about Islam; feel free to ask.

And if you need more clarification about reality - feel free to ask.

As to Islam - I have Muslim friends, my sister in law is a Muslim (converted 20+ years ago) - but thanks for the offer.

[Murad]

And what was he before he was the 'creator'? When he had not created? He was the 'yet to create'?

No; his attributes did not apply or start after a certain period of time; he always had these attributes.

Even when there was no creation; the term "creator"(Al-Khaliq) still applied to him. Because he always had the ability to create.

And if you need more clarification about reality - feel free to ask.

That was uncalled for, but i'll let it go.

As to Islam - I have Muslim friends, my sister in law is a Muslim (converted 20+ years ago) - but thanks for the offer.

Gee; thats a shame; i also have athiest friends; that doesn't mean i cant learn a thing or two from you.