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How many religions came from America?

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Is it evidence for or against religions if they came from America?

For instance Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses. Are there more? Scientology. Any more?

I would argue it is evidence against the religion because America has quite literally nothing the to do with the Bible. What other evidence flows from a religion coming from America?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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oldbadger wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:56 am
kjw47 wrote: Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:05 pm Jehovah is his name. He will show the whole world soon.
OK....That's what you think, but so far you haven't be able to show me where he told you that name.
I wonder when the name 'Jehovah' was first written down? But I haven't seen that....not in the bible.

How long have you been a JW? I'm guessing that you are middle age...47yrs? And I guess that your initial is K. Is that right?

The name Jehovah has been in the bible since the 1500,s-Psalm 83:18--I wouldnt doubt if in todays versions they have completely removed it. Up until the 1970,s the kjv had it in 8 places of the nearly 7000 places God wants it.

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kjw47 wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:02 pm
The name Jehovah has been in the bible since the 1500,s-Psalm 83:18--I wouldnt doubt if in todays versions they have completely removed it. Up until the 1970,s the kjv had it in 8 places of the nearly 7000 places God wants it.
My tiny bible, circa 1870's, shows the name of Jehovah in Psalm 83:18 and a handful of times from the Exodus, Isaiah and one of Psalm. But so it does in a modern RTF digital copy of the KJV bible today. And so these bibles were hardly guided in translation by any Devil. But nowhere else is that name shown.

But I'm pleased that we had this conversation because I now know where the name Jehovah sprang up. Where I live the JWs have a good name for honesty and fairness in their trades and other jobs, they tend to be tradesmen with skills such as in plumbing, hearting, air-conditioning, electricity, gas, car sales and more, and because they are mostly self employed this gives them the freedom to be at JW venues, or street-walking, or working on the new JW national HQ in Essex. But I don't believe in any Gods, nor devils, although I study the historical Jesus a lot. But I do respect JWs.

It was good to converse with you, KJW47.

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oldbadger wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:41 am
kjw47 wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:02 pm
The name Jehovah has been in the bible since the 1500,s-Psalm 83:18--I wouldnt doubt if in todays versions they have completely removed it. Up until the 1970,s the kjv had it in 8 places of the nearly 7000 places God wants it.
My tiny bible, circa 1870's, shows the name of Jehovah in Psalm 83:18 and a handful of times from the Exodus, Isaiah and one of Psalm. But so it does in a modern RTF digital copy of the KJV bible today. And so these bibles were hardly guided in translation by any Devil. But nowhere else is that name shown.

But I'm pleased that we had this conversation because I now know where the name Jehovah sprang up. Where I live the JWs have a good name for honesty and fairness in their trades and other jobs, they tend to be tradesmen with skills such as in plumbing, hearting, air-conditioning, electricity, gas, car sales and more, and because they are mostly self employed this gives them the freedom to be at JW venues, or street-walking, or working on the new JW national HQ in Essex. But I don't believe in any Gods, nor devils, although I study the historical Jesus a lot. But I do respect JWs.

It was good to converse with you, KJW47.

Every spot in OT where GOD or LORD all capitols is-the tetragramonton is supposed to be there=YHWH(Jehovah), nearly 6800 spots ot, about 200 spots NT where the OT is quoted and it belongs.
Thats sad you dont believe in God, his bible proves he is there-- There are scientific facts in the OT no mortal knew, and werent proven true until the 20th century. Surely creation is by intelligent design.

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kjw47 wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:08 pm
Every spot in OT where GOD or LORD all capitols is-the tetragramonton is supposed to be there=YHWH(Jehovah), nearly 6800 spots ot, about 200 spots NT where the OT is quoted and it belongs.
Well the translators showed it all in the way that they showed it. And your bible shows it all in the way that it shows it.
I don't believe in any kind of heaven (nor hell) but if your God will keep out folks because of their bible translations or the titles they give him, then....... :(

Thats sad you dont believe in God, his bible proves he is there-- There are scientific facts in the OT no mortal knew, and werent proven true until the 20th century. Surely creation is by intelligent design.
But you don't take notice of all of it, I seem to remember you wrote before. You only focus on the important, the eternal life references. True?

Which was how you never came to tell me what Jesus did in the Temple on Palm Sunday. It wasn't important for you.

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oldbadger wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 2:40 am
kjw47 wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:08 pm
Every spot in OT where GOD or LORD all capitols is-the tetragramonton is supposed to be there=YHWH(Jehovah), nearly 6800 spots ot, about 200 spots NT where the OT is quoted and it belongs.
Well the translators showed it all in the way that they showed it. And your bible shows it all in the way that it shows it.
I don't believe in any kind of heaven (nor hell) but if your God will keep out folks because of their bible translations or the titles they give him, then....... :(

Thats sad you dont believe in God, his bible proves he is there-- There are scientific facts in the OT no mortal knew, and werent proven true until the 20th century. Surely creation is by intelligent design.
But you don't take notice of all of it, I seem to remember you wrote before. You only focus on the important, the eternal life references. True?

Which was how you never came to tell me what Jesus did in the Temple on Palm Sunday. It wasn't important for you.

God doesnt keep one out for the reasons you showed. They are mislead into partaking off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21)-- 99% of all religion is false religion, done like this-2Cor 11:12-15
I dont what Jesus did on palm sunday, is it really important?

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kjw47 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 6:47 pm
God doesnt keep one out for the reasons you showed. They are mislead into partaking off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21)-- 99% of all religion is false religion, done like this-2Cor 11:12-15
Do you believe in demons?
I dont what Jesus did on palm sunday, is it really important?
To me as an HJ researcher, yes.

Is there anything that Jesus did which is important to you? Can you think of something that he did?

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oldbadger wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:58 am
kjw47 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 6:47 pm
God doesnt keep one out for the reasons you showed. They are mislead into partaking off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21)-- 99% of all religion is false religion, done like this-2Cor 11:12-15
Do you believe in demons?
I dont what Jesus did on palm sunday, is it really important?
To me as an HJ researcher, yes.

Is there anything that Jesus did which is important to you? Can you think of something that he did?

Yes he promised to keep on making his Fathers name known( John 17:26)=YHWH(Jehovah) and he kept that promise through his real servants.

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kjw47 wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:12 pm
oldbadger wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:58 am
kjw47 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 6:47 pm
God doesnt keep one out for the reasons you showed. They are mislead into partaking off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21)-- 99% of all religion is false religion, done like this-2Cor 11:12-15
Do you believe in demons?
I ask again because you didn't answer.

Yes he promised to keep on making his Fathers name known( John 17:26)=YHWH(Jehovah) and he kept that promise through his real servants.
Jesus called his Father 'Abba'.

John {17:25} O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. {17:26} And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare [it:] that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

So there isn't anything that Jesus actually did (apart from the last meal, and those last hours) that you focus upon ?

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oldbadger wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:07 am
kjw47 wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:12 pm
oldbadger wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:58 am
kjw47 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 6:47 pm
God doesnt keep one out for the reasons you showed. They are mislead into partaking off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21)-- 99% of all religion is false religion, done like this-2Cor 11:12-15
Do you believe in demons?
I ask again because you didn't answer.

Yes he promised to keep on making his Fathers name known( John 17:26)=YHWH(Jehovah) and he kept that promise through his real servants.
Jesus called his Father 'Abba'.

John {17:25} O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. {17:26} And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare [it:] that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

So there isn't anything that Jesus actually did (apart from the last meal, and those last hours) that you focus upon ?

Fallen angels = demons. Lead by satan a fallen angel.
Jesus did many things. Taught exactlywhat hisFather taught him to teach-John 5:30

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kjw47 wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:29 pm
Fallen angels = demons. Lead by satan a fallen angel.
And so........ you do believe in demons...... true?
Can angels and demons be seen? Have you or any of your friends seen these?
Jesus did many things. Taught exactlywhat hisFather taught him to teach-John 5:30
Jesus was not a particularly good teacher, even his close friends sometimes had trouble in grasping what he was trying to tell them.
And, Yes, Jesus did many things, and I think it's sad when Christians seem to be unaware of or disinterested in those accounts.

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