Is Allah powerless?

[achilles12604]

No matter how much Muslims deny it, the Koran clearly states that the followers should kill and conquer infidels. This is a given.

My question, is if Allah exists in the form put forth in the Koran, why doesn't he just kill the infidels off himself? This would be much more effective wouldn't it? Why use suicide bombers when you can simply have God stop the beating hearts of all the infidels?


And just to avoid confusion, please remember I am not your average Christian and I do not hold to the OT law as binding so don't go quoting passages about suffering witches to death as this will simply be a strawman.

[achilles12604]

Am I to assume that you are of the opinion that the Koran does not call for the killing of Infidels?


no the quran does not permit for the killing of any innocent muslim or non-muslim.



I didn't ask if the Koran permitted killing innocents. I asked you if it permitted killing of INFIDELS.

Please refrain from answering questions I didn't ask.

Does the Koran support the killing of INFIDELS?

i havent said innocent, i said that the quran does not permit for the killing of innocent muslims and non-muslims, and i suspect that infidels fall in the category of non-muslims.


now plz don'nt start a game of words again, instead come to the point.

Ok. I shall once again bring up the point. If the Koran (the word of almighty God) does in fact suggest that even ONE person under very particular circumstances should be killed, why doesn't God do it ITSSELF>??

Is it powerless?





Oh and a second question. If I am an infidel and condemned to hell, shall I mention that I tried to find the truth but his followers continually failed to answer my basic questions?

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... php?t=7473

My condemnation rests on your head.

[ceegunz]

Sorry for continually interjecting, but aren't these same objections valid for Christianity?

You may argue that the Bible does not tell anyone to kill anyone else (a learned view, in my opinion). But the Bible does tell people to do things--feed the hungry, house the poor, etc. Why doesn't God just do those things? You might say, well, feeding the hungry is part of our religious duties, and killing people is not. But unless you're a total pacifist, even in the most liberal Christian's view, killing someone (such as in self-defense) can be part of a religious duty. If God commands us to kill people, He must (so the argument goes), in his infinite wisdom, know this to be necessary. This requires a much deeper analysis into the circumstances of each prescribed killing, but simply because humans have a duty which God does not Himself do is not a very valid objection to any religion--indeed, its almost the definition of religion.

I fully agree with your second point, which is one reason why I don't believe in Hell. But if you do believe in Hell, this point is just as valid against your own beliefs. I have tried really hard to believe in Christ long after my conscience told me not to do so. I have almost certainly been inhibited in this quest by multitudes of ungracious, ignorant, hateful Christians (the same people that you mention in your signature). Is my failure to accept Christ at least partially on the heads of Christians? I think so.

So I think your second objective is very, very valid. But not from a Christian, at least from a normative Christian.

[The_Spirit_of_Truth]

You know, Allah is just another word for what we call God. And God both permits and denies people's attacks on other people.

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

You know, Allah is just another word for what we call God. And God both permits and denies people's attacks on other people.

Absolutely, but ‘allâh’ also refers to the very specific and muslim idea of god, which does not in any way square with the jewish concept of god and, especially, not with the christian concept of god.

[Goat]

You know, Allah is just another word for what we call God. And God both permits and denies people's attacks on other people.

Absolutely, but ‘allâh’ also refers to the very specific and muslim idea of god, which does not in any way square with the jewish concept of god and, especially, not with the christian concept of god.

Except for the accepting of a couple other prophets and a virgin birth, how does the muslim concept divert from the Jewish concept?

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

The way I understood it the Jewish divinity itself is bound to the principles of mercy and human life takes precedence over the laws. In Islâm, everyone remains completely subservient to the totally unanswerable allâh that can do whatever random shit it pleases with people remaining totally obsequious and still not being able to guarantee their own place in Heaven. Oh, and the afterlife exists and allâh will torture wrongdoers (not rapists or mass murderers, simply people with an ideological difference to Muhammad and his ways) literally for all eternity in hell. That sort of thing.