What do Muslims Think of Priests

[Allahakbar]

I'm just wondering what Muslims think and feel about paedophile catholic priests, given the behaviour of their prophet?

[Allahakbar]

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This Allah approves of paedophillia? Do you actually worship this god? Don't get me wrong the Jewish and Christian gods are as despicable and I don't understand worshiping them either.

Again such statements are only made by those that are ignorant of the life of the Prophet (peace be upon him) including Islam and it's teachings.

This obviously cannot be referring to the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as the prophet (peace be upon him) sure did not have low self esteem to have committed such an evil action, the prophet (peace be upon him) had hundreds and hundreds of followers and a person with low self esteem would not have been able accomplish what he did in his lifetime.

How can this be a just and true statement when the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was married to Khadijah the very first wife of the Prophet (peace be upon him) who was much older than he was! When he was twenty-five and she was forty when they got married. She was the first woman he married. She was the only wife he had till she died in which he had children with. 

If we look at the meaning of this word it is an adult who is sexually attracted to children. Was Aisha a child when the Prophet (peace be upon him) consummated the marriage with her?? Certainly Not!!! 

Therefore to answer your question your God does not accept paedophilia, in the contrary it is Islam that protects children from such evil actions and immorality and has laws in place to abide by in order to prevent such actions taking place. In fact one of the conditions of marriage is that a women must have reached the age of ability in order to consummate a marriage, furthermore women cannot be forced to stay in a marriage, whether previously married or not, by anyone without her consent, even if it is a father. 

So in order for your statements to be true you would need to prove that Islam:

1) Teaches or states that men can have sex with a child that has not yet reached physical ability to be able to bear intercourse. 

2) Islam teaches that one can be forced to stay in a marriage without her consent.

I worship the God of all, the Perfect, Absolute, All-Knowing and Wise God, that has given mankind the best system to follow for a prosperous and happy life in this world and the next. I adhere to the most beautiful of teachings  that the last and final Messenger (peace be upon him) came with as he was the best of examples in all avenues of human life and submit myself to God's commands as a Muslim and belief in One Monotheistic God without any partners or associates. 

I pray that God opens your eyes to the truth of Islam.

How could an intelligent person claim that to be a paedophile one would need a low self esteem? A paedophile, just like a rapist is exerting his POWER over a subordinate, it is high self esteem. Your estimation is determined by the indoctrination to which you have been exposed. Male superiority is the basis of Islam, you have no choice but to accept it. Just as western women had the same non choice 100yrs ago. The advancement of secularism and the retreat of religion and their own very real struggles have changed that. They don't as yet possess the equality they so richly deserve, but they do possess the capacity to continue the fight to achieve it. That is something that will take centuries for muslim women to achieve, but they will. Patriarchal societies are DEAD. This is the SPACE AGE, the stone age is dead.

[HaLi8993]

@ A Troubled Man

The Quran permits pedophilia. 

"And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair. Qur'an 65:4"

A Troubled Man, you really make me laugh. Can you point out to me which verse you have posted permits pedophilia?? I suggest you go look up the meaning of this verse.  

Allah the Exalted clarifies what this means which is the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. This can be found in the Tafsir of Ibn Kathir please let me know if you need proof for this. 

[HaLi8993]

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How could an intelligent person claim that to be a paedophile one would need a low self esteem? A paedophile, just like a rapist is exerting his POWER over a subordinate, it is high self esteem. Your estimation is determined by the indoctrination to which you have been exposed. Male superiority is the basis of Islam, you have no choice but to accept it. Just as western women had the same non choice 100yrs ago. The advancement of secularism and the retreat of religion and their own very real struggles have changed that. They don't as yet possess the equality they so richly deserve, but they do possess the capacity to continue the fight to achieve it. That is something that will take centuries for muslim women to achieve, but they will. Patriarchal societies are DEAD. This is the SPACE AGE, the stone age is dead.

This is incorrect a rapist is different to a pedophile One of the characteristics of a pedophile is that he has low self esteem in approaching and having sexual relations with an adult:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

Your estimation is determined by Anti- Islamic websites you rather visit then seeking the truth and accepting the facts that have been proven. I haven't been exposed of anything lol. The evidence is clear!!!

God has given both male and female rights and responsibilities that are consistent with their nature,
Islam is the religion of justice which means treating equally those who are equal and differentiating between those who are different. Something that is not accepted by the west which oppress women by regarding women equal with men. Women are like men in some aspects and they differ from them in others. Most of the rulings of Islam apply to men and women equally, hence women are not oppressed. In cases where a distinction is made between the sexes, the Muslim regards that as a mercy from God and a sign of His knowledge of His creation, but the arrogance of people see it as oppression and injustice, so he stubbornly insists on claiming that men and women are the same. So let him tell us how they are the same?? The Muslim is still at peace with his faith, surrendering to the command of God.

It seems like the only people that seem to have a problem with Islam are those that do not practice it. We as Muslim women are happy living Islam we are not oppressed nor do we need liberating to western values and immorality that are considered as "freedom" the "space age" or what other man phrases you would like to call it, even though the west fail to realize how their own women are  oppressed. The west need not be concerned about Muslim women and pay attention to the problems that lie in their own soil, and stop trying to impose their values and beliefs in foreign lands. God willing this will never happen. We don't change God's laws and God's religion is for all times and places.

The advancement of secularism has lead to even more social problems that the west cannot find any solutions for, while Islam submits to and adheres to the Creator that has Created man that has all the answers, the west continues to prostrate to man. Any way of life that is dictated by man will fail in freeing a society of oppressive laws.

[A Troubled Man]

Your estimation is determined by Anti- Islamic websites you rather visit then seeking the truth and accepting the facts that have been proven.

That is about as dishonest as it gets. You have essentially admitted to having failed the argument telling others they get their information from anti-islamic websites, which of course will be any website that doesn't agree with your beliefs.

God has given both male and female rights and responsibilities that are consistent with their nature.

Baloney, women can do pretty much anything men can do. But we all knew that.

Islam is the religion of justice which means treating equally those who are equal and differentiating between those who are different.

Those who are different how, exactly?

Something that is not accepted by the west which oppress women by regarding women equal with men.

Yes, the west understands that women are human beings, just like men. Fascinating, isn't it.

 

Women are like men in some aspects and they differ from them in others.

But, not so much difference that they are to be treated any differently.

Most of the rulings of Islam apply to men and women equally

That is false.

In cases where a distinction is made between the sexes, the Muslim regards that as a mercy from God and a sign of His knowledge of His creation, but the arrogance of people see it as oppression and injustice, so he stubbornly insists on claiming that men and women are the same.

Yes, it is oppression because men and women are the same, they are human beings.

It seems like the only people that seem to have a problem with Islam are those that do not practice it. We as Muslim women are happy living Islam we are not oppressed nor do we need liberating to western values and immorality that are considered as "freedom" the "space age" or what other man phrases you would like to call it, even though the west fail to realize how their own women are  oppressed. The west need not be concerned about Muslim women and pay attention to the problems that lie in their own soil, and stop trying to impose their values and beliefs in foreign lands. God willing this will never happen. We don't change God's laws and God's religion is for all times and places.

The advancement of secularism has lead to even more social problems that the west cannot find any solutions for, while Islam submits to and adheres to the Creator that has Created man that has all the answers, the west continues to prostrate to man. Any way of life that is dictated by man will fail in freeing a society of oppressive laws.

That really is quite detached from reality. You appear to be fed a lot of Islamic propaganda. That's really sad.

[Allahakbar]

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How could an intelligent person claim that to be a paedophile one would need a low self esteem? A paedophile, just like a rapist is exerting his POWER over a subordinate, it is high self esteem. Your estimation is determined by the indoctrination to which you have been exposed. Male superiority is the basis of Islam, you have no choice but to accept it. Just as western women had the same non choice 100yrs ago. The advancement of secularism and the retreat of religion and their own very real struggles have changed that. They don't as yet possess the equality they so richly deserve, but they do possess the capacity to continue the fight to achieve it. That is something that will take centuries for muslim women to achieve, but they will. Patriarchal societies are DEAD. This is the SPACE AGE, the stone age is dead.

This is incorrect a rapist is different to a pedophile One of the characteristics of a pedophile is that he has low self esteem in approaching and having sexual relations with an adult:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

Your estimation is determined by Anti- Islamic websites you rather visit then seeking the truth and accepting the facts that have been proven. I haven't been exposed of anything lol. The evidence is clear!!!
Perhaps you could direct me to some of these anti-islamic websites, do you have some url's I could visit? Because I use http://quran.com/ for my islamic understanding.

God has given both male and female rights and responsibilities that are consistent with their nature,
Islam is the religion of justice which means treating equally those who are equal and differentiating between those who are different. Something that is not accepted by the west which oppress women by regarding women equal with men. 
Now I see what your argument is : "Equality OPPRESSES women".
How could I not understand that?
Women are like men in some aspects and they differ from them in others. Most of the rulings of Islam apply to men and women equally, hence women are not oppressed. In cases where a distinction is made between the sexes, the Muslim regards that as a mercy from God and a sign of His knowledge of His creation, but the arrogance of people see it as oppression and injustice, so he stubbornly insists on claiming that men and women are the same. So let him tell us how they are the same?? The Muslim is still at peace with his faith, surrendering to the command of God.

It seems like the only people that seem to have a problem with Islam are those that do not practice it. We as Muslim women are happy living Islam we are not oppressed nor do we need liberating to western values and immorality that are considered as "freedom" the "space age" or what other man phrases you would like to call it, even though the west fail to realize how their own women are  oppressed. The west need not be concerned about Muslim women and pay attention to the problems that lie in their own soil, and stop trying to impose their values and beliefs in foreign lands. God willing this will never happen. We don't change God's laws and God's religion is for all times and places.

The advancement of secularism has lead to even more social problems that the west cannot find any solutions for, while Islam submits to and adheres to the Creator that has Created man that has all the answers, the west continues to prostrate to man. Any way of life that is dictated by man will fail in freeing a society of oppressive laws.

The rest of this unfortunate demonstration of religious brainwashing has been well and truly addressed by Troubled. I really do feel sorry for someone with such low self esteem.

[HaLi8993]

@ A Troubled Man

That is about as dishonest as it gets. You have essentially admitted to having failed the argument telling others they get their information from anti-islamic websites, which of course will be any website that doesn't agree with your beliefs.

No dishonesty or failure here.....you can try refuting what I say.

Baloney, women can do pretty much anything men can do. But we all knew that.

Not everything, there are exceptions but I'm pretty sure that not every line of field is suitable for women or they would suffer great hardship in doing so.

Those who are different how, exactly?

Haven't we been through this before??

They are different physically, socially, physiologically, emotionally to name a few.

Yes, the west understands that women are human beings, just like men. Fascinating, isn't it.

Human beings to not oppress one another! 

But, not so much difference that they are to be treated any differently.

They are treated fairly and with justice unlike making men and women the same and treating them the same which they are not, which is treating them differently.

That is false.

How is it??

Islam regards men and women as equally obliged with regard to many acts of worship and interactions with others. Women pray as men do, and they fast as men do, women pay zakaah as men pay zakaah, and they do Hajj as men do, except for a few differences in the rulings. Islam considers the differences between the sexes hence accommodates for this without oppressing either one of them making life easier on both rather than a burden.

Yes, it is oppression because men and women are the same, they are human beings.

Explain to me what you think is oppression???

They are human beings yes, with differences.

That really is quite detached from reality. You appear to be fed a lot of Islamic propaganda. That's really sad.

Nope this is reality, unless you can prove otherwise. The evidence is clear from your own societies and what is happening around the world. You appear to have no answers why is this?? You have failed the argument by telling me this is Islamic propaganda. What a shame!!!! 

[HaLi8993]

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The rest of this unfortunate demonstration of religious brainwashing has been well and truly addressed by Troubled. I really do feel sorry for someone with such low self esteem.

The fact that you cannot refute what I say is sufficient in determining the one that is really brainwashed. Equality does not mean they are the same which the west seem to think. Equality means the quality of being the same, so then explain to me how men and women are the same??? The ideal word that should be replaced with equality is justice in which Islam teaches and promotes.

[Allahakbar]

The evidence is clear from your own societies and what is happening around the world. You appear to have no answers why is this??

What?
What is this meant to mean?

[HaLi8993]

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What? 
What is this meant to mean?

It means that the west oppress their women and should be more concerned about fixing their own social problems, one recent example is the notion of living the "American Dream" where by women are forced to go to university where they are expected to take out loans that cost them as much as a house to pay off by the end of it, because they need to work as society dictates then when they can't pay this off they resort to selling their bodies in the form of prostitution to sugar daddies that in return help them in paying off their debts. 

[Allahakbar]

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What? 
What is this meant to mean?

It means that the west oppress their women and should be more concerned about fixing their own social problems, one recent example is the notion of living the "American Dream" where by women are forced to go to university where they are expected to take out loans that cost them as much as a house to pay off by the end of it, because they need to work as society dictates then when they can't pay this off they resort to selling their bodies in the form of prostitution to sugar daddies that in return help them in paying off their debts. 

You need to stop getting your information from the media you hate, oh and your mad mullahs.