Choices - determinants, constraints and consequences

[Compassionist]

We all make choices, but our choices are never free from determinants, constraints and consequences. I think that our choices are determined by our genes, environments, nutrients, and experiences.

Evidence shows that all living things are made of molecules. No one chooses to come into existence. No one chooses their genes, early environments, early nutrients and early experiences. When we are older, we have relatively greater control over our environments, nutrients and experiences compared to when we were babies, but we still remain biological organisms and all our choices as an older child and even as an adult depend on variables we did not choose. So, we do not deserve credit or blame for our choices. Wouldn't anyone else have made the same choices as Adolf Hitler if they had his genes, environments, nutrients and experiences? Wouldn't anyone else have made the same choices as Marie Curie if they had her genes, environments, nutrients and experiences? Most likely - I am not 100% certain about this because it is not possible for me to compare the choices of two individuals with 100% identical genes, environments, nutrients and experiences because no such identical beings exist, as far as I know.

Here are some things I have done, currently do or will do even though I don't want to do them:

1. Breathe
2. Eat
3. Drink
4. Sleep
5. Dream
7. Pee
8. Poo
9. Fart
10. Burp
11. Sneeze
12. Cough
13. Age
14. Get ill
15. Get injured
16. Sweat
17. Cry
18. Suffer
19. Snore
20. Think
21. Feel
22. Choose
23. Be conceived
24. Be born
25. Remember some events
26. Forget some events
27. Die

Here are some things I really want to do but I can't do:

1. Go back in time and prevent all suffering and death.
2. Make all living things forever happy.

So, I am constantly doing things I don't want to do and can't do what I really want to do. I am clearly not free. I clearly don't have free will. I am clearly constrained by forces outside my control. Yet, I am never free from the consequences of my choices. Just as I am never free from the consequences of other people's choices. What do you think about what I have said?

Here are two poems by me:

~ ~ Such Flows the River of Life (first version) ~ ~

I have reaped harvests I had not sown.
As have you. As have others.
I have reaped harvests of my own sowing.
As have you. As have others.

I will not reap all the harvests of all my sowing.
Neither will you. Nor will others.
We are all sowers.
We are all reapers.
We are one.

Causality binds us.
Causality frees us.
Causality rules us.
Causality obeys us.

Such flows the river of life.
Through the fabric of reality.

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~ ~ Such Flows the River of Life (second version) ~ ~

I've reaped the harvests I did not sow,
As have you, and others we know.
I've gathered the fruits from seeds I've sown,
As have you, and others have grown.

Not all harvests from our seeds we'll reap,
Nor will you, nor others we keep.
We sow, we reap, together as one,
Bound by causality, never undone.

Causality binds and sets us free,
It rules us all, yet obeys you and me.
Thus flows the river of life so grand,
Through the fabric of reality's strands.

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Which version of my poem do you prefer and why?

[Compassionist]

Deuteronomy 30:15-20
30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to keep His Commandments and His Statutes and His Judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, where thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the "I AM" thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him: for He [is] thy Life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the "I AM" sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel, to give them.

The Bible is fiction. Quoting from the Bible doesn't make it true.

[A Freeman]

Deuteronomy 30:15-20
30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to keep His Commandments and His Statutes and His Judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, where thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the "I AM" thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him: for He [is] thy Life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the "I AM" sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel, to give them.

The Bible is fiction. Quoting from the Bible doesn't make it true.

If that is your opinion, then so be it. You making that patently false claim doesn't magically make it true.

Over 2/3rds of the Bible is prophecy, over 99% of which has already been fulfilled in exact and minute detail over the past 6000 years. Only a complete fool would look at that track record, and assume that the Bible isn't true, and/or that the remaining less than 1% won't likewise be fulfilled in exact and minute detail.

And that, of course includes compassionately putting an end to this misery, by executing all those who have refused to repent of their selfish, evil ways, i.e. those who have refused to believe and be rehabilitated, so that those who do genuinely want to learn how to love one another and live WITH God and our natural surroundings, can do so in Love, and Truth, and in PEACE.

Learn: The Way home or Face The Fire.

[Compassionist]

Deuteronomy 30:15-20
30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to keep His Commandments and His Statutes and His Judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, where thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the "I AM" thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him: for He [is] thy Life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the "I AM" sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel, to give them.

The Bible is fiction. Quoting from the Bible doesn't make it true.

If that is your opinion, then so be it. You making that patently false claim doesn't magically make it true.

Over 2/3rds of the Bible is prophecy, over 99% of which has already been fulfilled in exact and minute detail over the past 6000 years. Only a complete fool would look at that track record, and assume that the Bible isn't true, and/or that the remaining less than 1% won't likewise be fulfilled in exact and minute detail.

And that, of course includes compassionately putting an end to this misery, by executing all those who have refused to repent of their selfish, evil ways, i.e. those who have refused to believe and be rehabilitated, so that those who do genuinely want to learn how to love one another and live WITH God and our natural surroundings, can do so in Love, and Truth, and in PEACE.

Learn: The Way home or Face The Fire.

The Bible is fiction until proven to be true by using extra-Biblical evidence e.g. the Biblical God showing up in front of everyone and demonstrating his omniscience and omnipotence to prove that he is God. You have not cited any extra-Biblical evidence which proves the Bible to be true.

[A Freeman]

Deuteronomy 30:15-20
30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to keep His Commandments and His Statutes and His Judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, where thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the "I AM" thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him: for He [is] thy Life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the "I AM" sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel, to give them.

The Bible is fiction. Quoting from the Bible doesn't make it true.

If that is your opinion, then so be it. You making that patently false claim doesn't magically make it true.

Over 2/3rds of the Bible is prophecy, over 99% of which has already been fulfilled in exact and minute detail over the past 6000 years. Only a complete fool would look at that track record, and assume that the Bible isn't true, and/or that the remaining less than 1% won't likewise be fulfilled in exact and minute detail.

And that, of course includes compassionately putting an end to this misery, by executing all those who have refused to repent of their selfish, evil ways, i.e. those who have refused to believe and be rehabilitated, so that those who do genuinely want to learn how to love one another and live WITH God and our natural surroundings, can do so in Love, and Truth, and in PEACE.

Learn: The Way home or Face The Fire.

The Bible is fiction until proven to be true by using extra-Biblical evidence e.g. the Biblical God showing up in front of everyone and demonstrating his omniscience and omnipotence to prove that he is God. You have not cited any extra-Biblical evidence which proves the Bible to be true.

Not true.

Please see "The Scriptural Marks of True Israel" article and thread here containing hundreds of prophecies detailing at least 95 scriptural "marks" of true Israel, and how those prophecies have been fulfilled and are still being fulfilled today, as we rapidly approach the final phase of WW3 which, according to Biblical prophecy, the U.S. and U.K. (and allies) will lose to Russia and China (and their allies).

4 Angels - 3 Wars

[Compassionist]

Deuteronomy 30:15-20
30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to keep His Commandments and His Statutes and His Judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, where thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the "I AM" thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him: for He [is] thy Life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the "I AM" sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel, to give them.

The Bible is fiction. Quoting from the Bible doesn't make it true.

If that is your opinion, then so be it. You making that patently false claim doesn't magically make it true.

Over 2/3rds of the Bible is prophecy, over 99% of which has already been fulfilled in exact and minute detail over the past 6000 years. Only a complete fool would look at that track record, and assume that the Bible isn't true, and/or that the remaining less than 1% won't likewise be fulfilled in exact and minute detail.

And that, of course includes compassionately putting an end to this misery, by executing all those who have refused to repent of their selfish, evil ways, i.e. those who have refused to believe and be rehabilitated, so that those who do genuinely want to learn how to love one another and live WITH God and our natural surroundings, can do so in Love, and Truth, and in PEACE.

Learn: The Way home or Face The Fire.

The Bible is fiction until proven to be true by using extra-Biblical evidence e.g. the Biblical God showing up in front of everyone and demonstrating his omniscience and omnipotence to prove that he is God. You have not cited any extra-Biblical evidence which proves the Bible to be true.

Not true.

Please see "The Scriptural Marks of True Israel" article and thread here containing hundreds of prophecies detailing at least 95 scriptural "marks" of true Israel, and how those prophecies have been fulfilled and are still being fulfilled today, as we rapidly approach the final phase of WW3 which, according to Biblical prophecy, the U.S. and U.K. (and allies) will lose to Russia and China (and their allies).

4 Angels - 3 Wars

I disagree. The Bible is fiction. It was written by liars who justified their murders by claiming they were commanded by Biblical God to commit murder: https://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-ho ... -the-bible

[Compassionist]

I will discuss Quantum Mechanics just in case you are interested.

1. Quantum Indeterminacy
What it means: Certain properties (like position, momentum, or time of decay) cannot be precisely predicted — only probabilities can be assigned.

Applies to: Fundamental particles like electrons, photons, etc.

Implication: There's no hidden variable or deterministic mechanism beneath (according to standard interpretations like Copenhagen).

2. Quantum Superposition
What it means: A particle can exist in multiple states (e.g., both spin-up and spin-down) simultaneously until it is measured.

Famous example: Schrödinger’s cat — alive and dead until observed.

3. Quantum Decoherence
What it means: Interaction with the environment (like air molecules or photons) destroys superpositions by entangling the quantum system with its surroundings.

Effect: The quantum system appears to "collapse" into a definite state without needing an observer.

Why it matters: This explains why macroscopic objects don't show superpositions — the quantum effects average out or become smeared by environmental interactions.

So What Happens at the Macroscopic Level?
Neurons, brains, cats, and humans are made up of trillions of particles.

The quantum randomness of individual particles is overwhelmed by the stability and interactions of billions of them — thanks to decoherence.

Hence, we don’t see quantum strangeness at our scale — only deterministic-like classical behavior.

Philosophical Implication:
Because of decoherence, quantum mechanics doesn't give us libertarian free will, nor does it falsify hard determinism at the level of human decisions. It just replaces classical predictability with probabilistic causality, which behaves deterministically on large scales.

[A Freeman]

The Bible is fiction. Quoting from the Bible doesn't make it true.

If that is your opinion, then so be it. You making that patently false claim doesn't magically make it true.

Over 2/3rds of the Bible is prophecy, over 99% of which has already been fulfilled in exact and minute detail over the past 6000 years. Only a complete fool would look at that track record, and assume that the Bible isn't true, and/or that the remaining less than 1% won't likewise be fulfilled in exact and minute detail.

And that, of course includes compassionately putting an end to this misery, by executing all those who have refused to repent of their selfish, evil ways, i.e. those who have refused to believe and be rehabilitated, so that those who do genuinely want to learn how to love one another and live WITH God and our natural surroundings, can do so in Love, and Truth, and in PEACE.

Learn: The Way home or Face The Fire.

The Bible is fiction until proven to be true by using extra-Biblical evidence e.g. the Biblical God showing up in front of everyone and demonstrating his omniscience and omnipotence to prove that he is God. You have not cited any extra-Biblical evidence which proves the Bible to be true.

Not true.

Please see "The Scriptural Marks of True Israel" article and thread here containing hundreds of prophecies detailing at least 95 scriptural "marks" of true Israel, and how those prophecies have been fulfilled and are still being fulfilled today, as we rapidly approach the final phase of WW3 which, according to Biblical prophecy, the U.S. and U.K. (and allies) will lose to Russia and China (and their allies).

4 Angels - 3 Wars

I disagree. The Bible is fiction. It was written by liars who justified their murders by claiming they were commanded by Biblical God to commit murder: https://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-ho ... -the-bible

And what evidence do you have of your opinions, or of those expressed in the link you've provided?

It's no wonder you're so confused about what compassion, constraints, and consequences really are.