Homosexuality: A chosen trait, or gentetically aquired?

[The Persnickety Platypus]

This question is a major underlying factor of the general homosexual debate, the answer of which can narrow the scope in questioning its morality.



Are people born gay, or do they choose to be?
Can someone be blamed for their sexual orientation, or is it subject to factors we have no control over?

[AlAyeti]

Genitalia denotes congenital sexual orientation.

Oh yeah, and chromosomes.

Since homosexuality was declassified by psychology as "actions" rather than a mental illness, it entered the classification of choice behavior. If it is a congenital birth condition, than it can be overcome like any other disorder. If the genitalia of a person is "normal" and the chromosomes are "normal," than there is lack of proof that there is any congenital condition connected to same-sex sexual behavior, also misappropriately called "orientation."

There is no credible scientific proof that homosexuality cannot be overcome by a rational thinking person. If a person has a vagina what sex are they? If a person has a penis what sex are they? That's not a question of bigotry or intolerance, it is a question of empiricism. If their chromosomes are normal, then they indeed cannot claim an organic or congenital reason for same-sex sexual attraction and it is classified as choic behavior.

In a rational thinking person, indeed sex organs denote sexual orientation.

Sexual activity in humans - a species that does not have set time periods where the female goes into season or estrus: The periodic state of sexual excitement in the female of most mammals, excluding humans, that immediately precedes ovulation and during which the female is most receptive to mating; heat

. . . shows that sexual activity is always a choice behavior. Or indeed a chosen trait in humans.

Genitalia (and DNA) again, always empirically defines sexual "orientation."

[unicorn]

Both bilological and environmental...sort of like depression. Also, homosexuality is on a continuum. There is a range of homosexual feeling and thought. Almost everyone experiences "homosexual" thoughts/attractions sometime in their lives.

[Bugmaster]

There is no credible scientific proof that homosexuality cannot be overcome by a rational thinking person.

Then it should work both ways, no ? I challenge you, AlAyeti, to hypnotize yourself somehow into becoming aroused by members of your own sex. I claim that there's no way you could possibly do it, no matter how hard you try.

In any case, our current knowledge indicates that homosexuality is a combination of cultural and genetic causes. This means that, in practice, homosexuality is something one cannot change just by thinking rationally about it, because both cultural and genetic causes are pretty much permament and unalterable (at least, not by any given individual).

[The Happy Humanist]

Since homosexuality was declassified by psychology as "actions" rather than a mental illness, it entered the classification of choice behavior. If it is a congenital birth condition, than it can be overcome like any other disorder. If the genitalia of a person is "normal" and the chromosomes are "normal," than there is lack of proof that there is any congenital condition connected to same-sex sexual behavior, also misappropriately called "orientation."

Two quick, simple questions, Al:

1) Do you have any doubt that homosexual sex feels good to homosexuals?

2) How do you suppose that happened?

[AlAyeti]

Then it should work both ways, no ? I challenge you, AlAyeti, to hypnotize yourself somehow into becoming aroused by members of your own sex. I claim that there's no way you could possibly do it, no matter how hard you try.

For a hundred million dollars I could get myself to eat dog sh--.

Equally distasteful actions, but I could get myself to do it.

I wouldn't need to hypnotize myself about homosexual sex, I would just need to check my brain and powers of reasoning at the door of normality and become a Liberal-progressive. Thye can justify so much other insanity and evil.

But, if I didn't have any morals and was once again an atheist/secularist and promiscuious like I used to be, all I woiuld need to complete your Sodomy experiement is a well disguised transvestite.

You see it all comes down to ignoring facts and truth.

Something easy for an atheist and secularist and humanist and freethinker by using observable evidence.

[AlAyeti]

Two quick, simple questions, Al:

1) Do you have any doubt that homosexual sex feels good to homosexuals?

2) How do you suppose that happened?

Misapplication of the word "simple." Simple sexual intercourse is only defeined as male-female intercourse. You do have anatomy books to reference this subject do you not? The parts of the male fit perfectly the parts of the female. This disqualifies homosexualm sex as sex at all. It is just physical contact that elicits an orgasm.

1) The giver or receiver? When a sexually transmitted disease is "acquired, how good does that feel? Are we talking lesbians or male homosexuals? I can't imagine a lifetime of rectal violation
2)

Pedophillia feels good to the Pederast. And there are research papers written that sexual molestation is not that harmful to the victim.

It all comes down to the psyche. Homosexuality is indeed a mental disorder. Do you have any doubt?

Anatomy and physiology sure doesn't.

[Bugmaster]

For a hundred million dollars I could get myself to eat dog sh--.

Ah, but would you enjoy it ? Eating poop is different from having sex. If you are male, and I'm pretty sure you are, then, in order to have sex, you need to become sexually aroused. Can you do that at will ? I doubt that you can, no more than gay people can will themselves to become aroused by members of the opposite sex.

all I woiuld need to complete your Sodomy experiement is a well disguised transvestite.

Have you ever had sex ? From what I know of it, I'm not sure I understand how this disguise is supposed to work.

Something easy for an atheist and secularist and humanist and freethinker by using observable evidence.

Um. Isn't "observable evidence" pretty much the definition of facts and truth ?

[AlAyeti]

Um. Isn't "observable evidence" pretty much the definition of facts and truth ?

Obviously not to people that classify homosexuality as normal.

Eating is an enjoyable experience and look at how many people cause themselves much grief from doing it wrong.

[Aximili23]

AlAyeti,

There's one thing I can assure you with complete and absolute certainty: homosexuals do not willingly and knowingly choose to be homosexual. It's not a conscious choice.