IS WITCHCRAFT GOOD OR EVIL?

[acehighinfinity]

[Replying to post 106 by Divine Insight]
DIVINE INSIGHT:

Moreover, I find the verse that you have posted to be quite interesting and I use it frequently to defend my witchcraft against Christian criticism. The Christians often claim that witches get their power from Satan (just as Jesus had been accused of in the verse you've quoted).

However, like Jesus I use my powers for good works. Therefore, for the very same reasons that Jesus gave my powers cannot come from Beelzebub (or Satan) because a house divided against itself cannot stand.

Therefore my powers necessarily must come from God, for precisely the same reasons that Jesus gave.

If what Jesus spoke is truth, then clearly it must also apply to me. I cannot do good works in the name of Beelzebub, demons, or Satan because that would be a house divided against itself.

So I find it rather humorous that Jesus himself has totally vindicated all witches who do good works. Because their power (according to Jesus) can only come from God. Only God's power can be used for good works.

I would like to invite you here DIVINE INSIGHT
The above post caught my attention and I would like to bring this to the light. Now in another thread I am under the impression you study Buddhism but claim not to be a Buddhist, correct?

I am totally against WitchCraft according to the Holy Bible:
Deuteronomy 18:14 "The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the Lord your God has not permitted you to do so."
Revelation 22:15 "Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood."
Leviticus 19:26 "Do not practice divination or seek omens"
...the list goes on.

Questions:
If Divine Insight claim to use WitchCraft for good, then could you or anyone else list those examples please?
Does one see WitchCraft as Good? or
Does one see WitchCraft as Evil?

Feel free to add on.

Thanks in advance,
Ace

[Divine Insight]

Your claim that Jesus was a sorcerer and a witch, even if you've created your own definitions for both, will also come across as insulting.

Insulting to who?

The only person who could possibly be insulted by any views I have on Jesus would be Jesus himself.

It's not your place to become the ego of Jesus.

I feel confident that Jesus would totally embrace and support all of my views.

So I have no fear of stepping on Jesus' ego.

[The Me's]

Your claim that Jesus was a sorcerer and a witch, even if you've created your own definitions for both, will also come across as insulting.

Insulting to who?

Calling Jesus a sorcerer is demeaning to all Christians.

When you do so, you indicate to all of us either your level of intelligence (that you somehow didn't know that) or your lack of moral conscious (that you don't care).

I personally have yet to see any consistency in your posts. Your definitions are constantly changing, your claims are self-contradicting, and you just got finished distorting a passage in John to try to make it seem contradictory to a passage in Luke.

I suspect that you don't really believe anything you say. I see no reason why I should? If the claims you're making now are just going to change 5 minutes from now, what's the point?

[Ooberman]

Your claim that Jesus was a sorcerer and a witch, even if you've created your own definitions for both, will also come across as insulting.

Insulting to who?

Calling Jesus a sorcerer is demeaning to all Christians.

That may be, but it doesn't mean it's untrue.

When you do so, you indicate to all of us either your level of intelligence (that you somehow didn't know that) or your lack of moral conscious (that you don't care).

I personally have yet to see any consistency in your posts. Your definitions are constantly changing, your claims are self-contradicting, and you just got finished distorting a passage in John to try to make it seem contradictory to a passage in Luke.

I suspect that you don't really believe anything you say. I see no reason why I should? If the claims you're making now are just going to change 5 minutes from now, what's the point?

This is a personal attack on DI. Reported.

[Divine Insight]

I personally have yet to see any consistency in your posts.

That's your problem not mine. You are just jumping to totally unwarranted conclusions based upon your own perspective of me which is totally insufficient for the conclusions that you jump to.

Therefore your perception of inconsistency is of your own making.

Your definitions are constantly changing, your claims are self-contradicting, and you just got finished distorting a passage in John to try to make it seem contradictory to a passage in Luke.

John does indeed conflict with Luke.

John claimed that to not believe in the name of the only begotten son of God is certain damnation. He said that such people are "already damned".

Whereas Luke has Jesus forgiving non-believers for not believing in him on the simple grounds that they know not what they do.

So both of these claims cannot be simultaneously true.

Either Jesus forgives the non-believers for not believing, or they are already condemned by John.

So who's in charge here? John or Jesus?

Jesus forgives non-believers for not believing.

It's crystal clear in Luke.

So your claim that the Bible has any consistency or is inerrant is clear false. And I have provided biblical evidence of this. John and Luke contradict one another.

[Divine Insight]

Calling Jesus a sorcerer is demeaning to all Christians.

By the way, this is not my problem if true.

I don't consider being a sorcerer to be demeaning. Therefore when I say that Jesus was a sorcerer there is nothing demeaning in that.

If the Christians decide to twist that into something derogatory then they are the ones who are doing that, not me.

[The Me's]

Calling Jesus a sorcerer is demeaning to all Christians.

By the way, this is not my problem if true.

I don't consider being a sorcerer to be demeaning. Therefore when I say that Jesus was a sorcerer there is nothing demeaning in that.

If the Christians decide to twist that into something derogatory then they are the ones who are doing that, not me.

But that's not enough of an answer.

If you're going to level an obviously demeaning comment, you have a moral responsibility to make sure you're right before you do it, and you've failed on that part.

The only defense you seem to offer is that you can use whatever definition you want, and that's not good enough either.

If you have this level of disregard for the beliefs of others, to simply wave it off as "not my problem", then my instincts about you have been right all along. You want nothing except for your claims to be taken at face value, and you feel no responsibility to back them up with either citations or even rational explanations.

You're really not contributing anything to this thread beyond confusion: constantly moving goal posts, changing definitions, complete lack of personal responsibility, and reckless slander.

[The Me's]

I personally have yet to see any consistency in your posts.

That's your problem not mine.

No, it's your problem, and you're going to suffer the consequences if you can't find any moral boundaries in life. You've demonstrated your willingness to lie about your own posts:

I didn't claim that Jesus was a witch or a sorcerer.

From your post #63:

Jesus was a witch.

He was practicing sorcery and when accused of using evil powers his excuse was that he claimed to be doing good works and that good works can only come from a good source because if they came from an evil source that evil source would be a house divided against itself.

I suspect that every post you've presented here has been an intentional distortion of some kind, since you are never consistent in your claims, you never want to back up your claims, and it's always someone else's misunderstanding if your answers seem to contradict.

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Therefore my answer to the OP must be as follows:

1--Divine insight does not practice witchcraft or sorcery, despite claims
2--Divine insight does not have knowledge of either one
3--Divine insight only offers confusion to the discussion and won't give direct, clear responses
4--Divine insight, upon scrutiny, fails to explain comparisons of Jesus to either one
5--Divine insight is more willing to hide inside subterfuge than take responsibility for any claim made

I admit that all of these conclusions may be wrong, and I'll give you a chance to explain where I'm wrong before I hit the "ignore" button. Up to this point, conversation with you has been a total waste of time. Nobody benefited.

[Ooberman]

I think witches and sorcerers are AWESOME!!! Gandalf is the greatest character in all of literature. Better than Jesus, IMO.


What about Hermoine? Harry Potter? They are awesome.

I'm not sure why Me's is a Wizard-phobe.

[Divine Insight]

I admit that all of these conclusions may be wrong, and I'll give you a chance to explain where I'm wrong before I hit the "ignore" button. Up to this point, conversation with you has been a total waste of time. Nobody benefited.

Please do hit the ignore button.

Being ignored by you would be an honor.

I don't accept Christian arrogance. The Christians are the ones who have defined "sorcery" to be "black magic" etc. They are the ones who have associated this with their Satan.

But that's a Christian-biased definition of sorcery. And obviously you support Christian bias. I do not.

So for the Non-Christian there are all manner of sorcery, both good and bad.

Clearly Jesus claimed to do only good works.

I also stated that I only do good works.

Therefore if your definition of sorcery has to do with black magic, then clearly I'm not addressing your biased notions.

I was speaking only of good works. In fact, as a Wiccan I abide by the Wiccan rede of harming none.

Therefore if you place negative connotations to the term sorcery, then you are doing that on your own using a Christian-biased dictionary.

If we go by a Christian-biased dictionary than all non-Christians are heathen sinners who hate God.

So all you are trying to do is force your Christian-baises and bigotries onto me.

So by all means, please place me on ignore. You would be doing me a great favor. I have no desire to argue with someone who is going to continually push onto me their own negative bigotries and biases.

Nothing I say about Jesus is negative.

You are the one who is trying desperately to twist it into something negative.

[The Me's]

I don't accept Christian arrogance. The Christians are the ones who have defined "sorcery" to be "black magic" etc. They are the ones who have associated this with their Satan.

But that's a Christian-biased definition of sorcery. And obviously you support Christian bias. I do not.

Arrogance: the act of one person declaring the thoughts of another, and by doing so, claiming a power that only God possesses.

I was actually taking my definition of "sorcery" from "The Witchcrafte Bible Compleat" by Janet and Stewart Farrar. They're Wiccans, not Christians.