How do we know what is right, and what is wrong?
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How do we know what is right, and what is wrong?
Post #1How do we know what is right, and what is wrong? For example, I think it is wrong to be a herbivore or a carnivore or an omnivore, or a parasite. I think all living things should be autotrophs. I think only autotrophs are good and the rest are evil. However, I am not certain that my thoughts are right. Can herbivores, carnivores, omnivores, and parasites become autotrophs at will? If so, why don't they? If they can't become autotrophs at will, is it really their fault that they are not autotrophs?
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Re: How do we know what is right, and what is wrong?
Post #600Tanager.
I have read what you claim about God here in this thread, up to page 17 and it seems clear that you are claiming that God is an objective thing.
I see that you are basing your opinions/beliefs about that against the alternative atheism presents regarding morality and in that, it is necessary for you to present God as an object rather than a subject, which is where you and I appear to differ in our views.
As you know, I regard all theistic beliefs as sourced in mindful phenomena which I see as a local source in that all such phenomena derives from the planet mind and it is that mind which our own minds are most related to. Therefore we do agree that we get our sense of morals from a creator-mind, but the difference in my view from your own appears to be that you believe that mind is an objective thing, whereas I think all mindfulness is purely/perfectly subjective.
To example, if you and I were on the space station looking out at the planet we can agree that we observe the planet as an object.
What we also should be able to agree with is that what we are viewing is NOT the planet mind itself, but the object from which the planet mind expresses itself.
We need not confuse the planet with being the mind. We need not point at the object and claim that the object is the mind.
The same applies to all mindful forms - specifically re the argument of human morality - the object is not the mind and the mind is really what the human being is as it true core identity - not the body.
The body allows for different morals to subjectively form as criteria for expression in finding the best way for the human animals to socially prosper in the objective environment provided, and even that these moral ideas may work well enough to that end in different epochs, they still require changing as humans progress into new epochs.
I think there is confusion wrought through the belief that morals are from an objective source, be that God or not-God.
The mind/minds cannot be anything other than subjective, simply due to the nature of mindfulness.
I have read what you claim about God here in this thread, up to page 17 and it seems clear that you are claiming that God is an objective thing.
I see that you are basing your opinions/beliefs about that against the alternative atheism presents regarding morality and in that, it is necessary for you to present God as an object rather than a subject, which is where you and I appear to differ in our views.
As you know, I regard all theistic beliefs as sourced in mindful phenomena which I see as a local source in that all such phenomena derives from the planet mind and it is that mind which our own minds are most related to. Therefore we do agree that we get our sense of morals from a creator-mind, but the difference in my view from your own appears to be that you believe that mind is an objective thing, whereas I think all mindfulness is purely/perfectly subjective.
To example, if you and I were on the space station looking out at the planet we can agree that we observe the planet as an object.
What we also should be able to agree with is that what we are viewing is NOT the planet mind itself, but the object from which the planet mind expresses itself.
We need not confuse the planet with being the mind. We need not point at the object and claim that the object is the mind.
The same applies to all mindful forms - specifically re the argument of human morality - the object is not the mind and the mind is really what the human being is as it true core identity - not the body.
The body allows for different morals to subjectively form as criteria for expression in finding the best way for the human animals to socially prosper in the objective environment provided, and even that these moral ideas may work well enough to that end in different epochs, they still require changing as humans progress into new epochs.
I think there is confusion wrought through the belief that morals are from an objective source, be that God or not-God.
The mind/minds cannot be anything other than subjective, simply due to the nature of mindfulness.
