The Bible Says So....

[Sntrose]

This is directed to my Christian friends here, coming from an atheist. I have been reading through some of the posts here, and I keep running across the same thing. It's got me very confused. Why is it that when asked a moral question, the answer is "because it is in the Bible." ? The line of logic seems to stop there.

Usually, it is accompanied by a quote from Scripture, and then something along the lines of, "it's clearly in the Bible. So that's why it's a sin. The Bible says so."

What it is about this book that I'm not getting? What kind of book is there that could possibly be so infallible that you would never question it's contents? Nothing can be wrong? Not even a translation error? As long as it's in the Bible, you can relax...it must be right! It's in the Bible. So we don't have to think any more?

I sincerely do not intend this to be insulting. I mean it as a question. Read this in a happy voice...not a sarcastic one. That is the tone I intend...and would prefer the answers to be in....

[Danmark]

I have given a verse where Jesus said about women being the weaker vessel, all scripture is God-breathed even if the author of the specific book was Paul or anyone else, it is pure blasphemy to say that they did not write under Holy Ghost inspiration.
1 Peter 3:7
Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.
Galatians 2v11, have you been deluded? Although you most likely are going to say that this isn't true, one day in the future you are going to look back to this debate and regret every opportunity you had of hearing the truth, and how many times you rejected it and wish that you hadn't.

A christian is a true follower of Christ, there is no such thing as a 'ex-christian', why did you leave off from following after the truth? If you truly were a real Christian, and i mean born again, when were you happier, then believing in a God or now when you don't believe in Him and tear His precious Word apart? Honestly answer for sin only makes men miserable.

Actually, I don't believe you did quote a verse where Jesus called women the 'weaker vessel. And it wasn't Paul either. BTW, Paul frequently admitted that some of what he wrote was from him, not from God. The verse you may be thinking of:

Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.

1 Peter 3:7 Many, if not most scholars don't think 1Peter was written by the Apostle Peter, tho' that is the tradition. The author may simply have been referring to the fact than women are generally physically weaker than men. That is no reason to consider them inferior.

BTW, why do you reference Galatians 2:11 " But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned."

I'm much happier now than when I was a Christian.
BTW, tell me the verse where it says that a 'true' Christian never falters or fails or stops believing. Show me where the Bible says that if a Christian loses his 'faith,' then he never was a Christian? Or is this just your own idea?

I was a 'born again' Christian. I was even baptized twice; once as an infant, later as a young adult on his way to the 'mission field' in Japan.

The only regret I have is that I didn't do more 'sinning' in my youth.

[Danmark]

Your two daughters may very well be the greatest women ever in your point of view but what are they in God's opinion? For it is he after all that they will stand before and pay account of all their actions e.g. how they played poker....

God loves a skillful poker player.

One of the young men answered, “Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite, who is skillful in playing, a man of valor, a man of war, prudent in speech, and a man of good presence, and the Lord is with him.�

1 Samuel 16:18

There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

James 4:12

[daughterofthefaith]

[Replying to post 211 by Danmark]


Sorry the reference was meant to be II Thessalonians 2v11

Luke 9v62 words from Christ's own mouth clearly proves what I said about christians.

[daughterofthefaith]

[Replying to post 212 by Danmark]

Read I Samuel 16 v 14-16 and you will discover they were talking about playing the harp.....nothing to do with poker.

[Danmark]

[Replying to post 211 by Danmark]


Sorry the reference was meant to be II Thessalonians 2v11

Luke 9v62 words from Christ's own mouth clearly proves what I said about christians.

'Jesus said to him, “No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God.�'
Luke 9:62
What do you suppose Jesus had against farmers?
You misinterpret this verse. Jesus is making the point that when you plow a field, you must look straight ahead, not back, or your furrow will be crooked. This verse is traditionally thought of as referring to his disciples and other followers who are going to make a full time job of preaching; i.e., ministers; that they should only preach the word and not seek to make their fortune in the business world.
Or do you think the verse means that when you become a Christian, you must work full time for the Lord and quit your job live on the dole?

[Danmark]

Galatians 2v11, have you been deluded? Although you most likely are going to say that this isn't true, one day in the future you are going to look back to this debate and regret every opportunity you had of hearing the truth, and how many times you rejected it and wish that you hadn't.

Not a chance, 'For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes.'
James 4:14.

Now that you have admitted that by Galatians 2:11 you actually meant 2 Thessalonians 2:11 in order to call me 'deluded,' let's look at the passage:

The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
This is an old and improper debater's trick that Paul uses. Essentially he did what you just did; he called anyone who disagrees with him 'deluded.' But think about it. Why would God need to 'send them a strong delusion' when they already don't believe? Like much written in the Bible, it makes no sense, except to give a certain type of Christian one more reason to judge others, contrary to scripture:

Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?
James 4:11-12

[Goat]

[Replying to post 208 by Goat]

If preaching doesn't 'do' anything for you, why ask me any questions because my answers come from the same source - The Bible!!!

So you got the whole big circular thing going there. The bible is true because the bible says it's true?

Can you show that the bible, is, indeed true?

And that your individual interpretation has any meaning to anybody else?

[daughterofthefaith]

[Replying to post 216 by Danmark]

the reason that people do not believe in the first place is because they have been deluded

[daughterofthefaith]

[Replying to post 217 by Goat]

There is archaeological evidence, the bible is made up of eyewitness accounts eg there is moses, Corroborating Accounts e.g of the Jewish historian Josephus, literary and prophetic consistency, Leader Acceptance. A majority of the greatest leaders and thinkers in history have affirmed the truth and impact of the Bible. "I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given man. All the good from the Savior of the world is communicated to us through this book. But for it we could not know right from wrong.� Abraham Lincoln. And finally changed lives! Augustine,Martin Luther....

[daughterofthefaith]

[Replying to post 215 by Danmark]

Christ has nothing against farmer sure adam, cain and abel all were farmers, and adam for the first while was a perfect man so there is no sin in being a farmer.

A Christian is a disciple of Christ.