This sums up many of my views on the Bible and human sexuality: http://www.religion-online.org/showarti ... title=1265
I'm a gay man. (No big deal to me personally, I accept that period; but because of American society and many related religious views/traditions, I realize that I must advocate for certain human rights and protections. I've reluctantly become more of a moral activist over time, than I would have originally preferred.) I've seen people justify their views (one way or the other); now I just want to see what people on this forum think of sex, as it relates to their overall biblical, social or moral perspective(s).
Since I was a young man, I've always wanted to know what various biblical experts had to say about human sexuality (especially factors related to homosexuality). And in light of many threads discussing biblical interpretations and traditions, I ask this debatable question:
What does the Bible say to YOU (spiritually/personally) regarding the gift of HUMAN SEXUALITY you've been granted or experienced?
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like no offense, but if someone just puts " its the word of god, and it will never change" they obviously don't know much about the history of it... other wise they would know that it is very unclear on the true meanings of any part of the scripture...
Of course my discription of why the bible is unclear is completely short and underscored, but be-it -that -it -may it gets my point across.
Of course my discription of why the bible is unclear is completely short and underscored, but be-it -that -it -may it gets my point across.
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Well, one of the things I've gotten out of the bible (granted, I don't respect it, but when I read it once) is that the "thou shalt not spill thy seed" has been grossly misinterpreted. This is the context it was in: A man was having intercourse with a woman, but instead of allowing his sperm to enter her vagina, he came on the ground. If you ask me, this was saying it was bad to have all those cheating non-vaginal secks for purposes of avoiding pregancy, such as dry sex (which was demonstrated), anal sex, and oral sex... which some Christian/abstinent teenagers use as a substitute for "real" sex. Oh, the irony.
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That is the 'sin of Onan', and while the most common interpretation of the orthodox is that it means any intercourse should allow for a pregnancy. If you read the passage in context.. it means that Onan didn't want to have a levirate1angelette wrote:Well, one of the things I've gotten out of the bible (granted, I don't respect it, but when I read it once) is that the "thou shalt not spill thy seed" has been grossly misinterpreted. This is the context it was in: A man was having intercourse with a woman, but instead of allowing his sperm to enter her vagina, he came on the ground. If you ask me, this was saying it was bad to have all those cheating non-vaginal secks for purposes of avoiding pregancy, such as dry sex (which was demonstrated), anal sex, and oral sex... which some Christian/abstinent teenagers use as a substitute for "real" sex. Oh, the irony.
marriage. In the ancient part of Judaism, if a man died without any children, it was his brothers obligation to get his brother's wife pregnant.. and the child would count as the deceased siblings child. What Onan's sin
was dishonoring his brother by refusing to father a child (although he was willing to have sex). By the rabbinical era (100bc), this practice was very rarely done, with Deut 25:5-10 being invoked to get out of what used to be considered the responsibility.
The concept of it being a sin and wasteful was basically a way to reinterpret the text so that obsolete law can be ignored..
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You need to ask? This is the same God who cares whether you eat milk and meat together, mix fabrics and according to some whether you use musical instruments in worship.Avariel wrote:all I'd like to say,
Is why would an omnipotent, all powerful creator of the universe care about who's warming your sheets at night?
Seriously? I mean...why? Anyone, please, answer this question.
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John
Post #26
Well, yes, I do, if only to reiterate this answer. Why would any God, being powerful enough to create such a complex universe, give a flying damn about how you brush your teeth or who you fall in love with? Why would someone create something as beautiful and transformative as love only to place limits and restrictions on such a thing?McCulloch wrote:You need to ask? This is the same God who cares whether you eat milk and meat together, mix fabrics and according to some whether you use musical instruments in worship.Avariel wrote:all I'd like to say,
Is why would an omnipotent, all powerful creator of the universe care about who's warming your sheets at night?
Seriously? I mean...why? Anyone, please, answer this question.
I only asked for an answer to simply verify the ridiculousness of this notion
