Is it immoral to teach children Christianity?

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Should Children be taught to follow Christianity?

No
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Yes
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They should be taught about Christianity - but not indoctrinated into it
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Is it immoral to teach children Christianity?

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It's been debated all over the place: Should we teach our Children Christianity?

By this, I mean: should children be taught to become Christian?
Or are people violating children's right to choose?

I personally think that they should be taught about Christianity (and the flaws of it), and left to make up their own choice.

If we look at the famous "Jesus Camp" we can see how it can be - in many ways - brainwashing. But of course this is an extreme example.

So, question for discussion: Should Children be taught to follow Christianity? Or is it immoral in todays society?

There's also a poll - if there isn't an option applicable to you, then please explain your thoughts.
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Jayhawker Soule wrote: And I'd advise you to actually study some of the theology you so persistently denigrate. Are people who share the views of an Albert Schweitzer or a Shirley Jackson Case or a Martin Luther King or an Abraham Joshua Heschel immoral? Are they immoral when they share those beliefs with their children? What about Quaker parents and their children? Did you ever even consider the fact that, to the extent your question paints Christianity as monolithic, it is obnoxiously stupid and insulting?
I just love how you can make a sentence like this... you tell him to study theology and then blame him for saying those religious views shouldn't be shared? So you mean we SHOULD teach children that being homosexual is a sin? We SHOULD teach children that women who are raped have to marry the man that raped them or they should be stoned to death? You might want to read up on your own book. If you consider it to be moral I severely question your sense of morality too be honest...
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Just this beautiful, complex, wonderfully unfathomable natural world?
How does it so fail to hold our attention
That we have to diminish it with the invention
Of cheap, man-made Myths and Monsters?
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Jayhawker Soule wrote: Did you ever even consider the fact that, to the extent your question paints Christianity as monolithic, it is obnoxiously stupid and insulting?
I don't think my question paints Christianity as "monolithic". My question is addressing an issue that schools are discussing at this very moment in time. I am not attempting to insult or poke fun at Christianity, I am merely highlighting a real life issue and opening it up for debate.

Jayhawker Soule wrote:And I'd advise you to actually study some of the theology you so persistently denigrate. Are people who share the views of an Albert Schweitzer or a Shirley Jackson Case or a Martin Luther King or an Abraham Joshua Heschel immoral? Are they immoral when they share those beliefs with their children? What about Quaker parents and their children?
I have no objection to "sharing" their beliefs with their children, but I do think it is wrong for a person to force their beliefs upon their child.

I was raised as a Christian, and had Christianity put forward to me as "this is what you believe", not "this is what we believe".
I was told what to think- and I would never do that to my child, should I ever have children. However, I know that many Christians do not "force" their beliefs upon their children - so I'm not trying to blanket tag all Christians.

People can believe what they want, but never force it upon a child.
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VermilionUK wrote:
Jayhawker Soule wrote: Did you ever even consider the fact that, to the extent your question paints Christianity as monolithic, it is obnoxiously stupid and insulting?
I don't think my question paints Christianity as "monolithic". My question is addressing an issue that schools are discussing at this very moment in time. I am not attempting to insult or poke fun at Christianity, I am merely highlighting a real life issue and opening it up for debate.
Jayhawker Soule wrote:And I'd advise you to actually study some of the theology you so persistently denigrate. Are people who share the views of an Albert Schweitzer or a Shirley Jackson Case or a Martin Luther King or an Abraham Joshua Heschel immoral? Are they immoral when they share those beliefs with their children? What about Quaker parents and their children?
I have no objection to "sharing" their beliefs with their children, but I do think it is wrong for a person to force their beliefs upon their child.
Oh, so we're talking about "force" now. You shift mileposts with such thoughtless abandon that its rather difficult to take you seriously.

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Jayhawker Soule wrote:
VermilionUK wrote:
Jayhawker Soule wrote: Did you ever even consider the fact that, to the extent your question paints Christianity as monolithic, it is obnoxiously stupid and insulting?
I don't think my question paints Christianity as "monolithic". My question is addressing an issue that schools are discussing at this very moment in time. I am not attempting to insult or poke fun at Christianity, I am merely highlighting a real life issue and opening it up for debate.
Jayhawker Soule wrote:And I'd advise you to actually study some of the theology you so persistently denigrate. Are people who share the views of an Albert Schweitzer or a Shirley Jackson Case or a Martin Luther King or an Abraham Joshua Heschel immoral? Are they immoral when they share those beliefs with their children? What about Quaker parents and their children?
I have no objection to "sharing" their beliefs with their children, but I do think it is wrong for a person to force their beliefs upon their child.
Oh, so we're talking about "force" now. You shift mileposts with such thoughtless abandon that its rather difficult to take you seriously.
His OP said: "
I personally think that they should be taught about Christianity (and the flaws of it), and left to make up their own choice.
"
Seems to me you only read the title and claimed foul play without actually reading what he said or bothering to ask what his view point is. He quite clearly states he is against indoctrination but is for teaching religion.
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Just this beautiful, complex, wonderfully unfathomable natural world?
How does it so fail to hold our attention
That we have to diminish it with the invention
Of cheap, man-made Myths and Monsters?
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T-mash wrote:
His OP said: "
I personally think that they should be taught about Christianity (and the flaws of it), and left to make up their own choice.
"
Seems to me you only read the title and claimed foul play without actually reading what he said or bothering to ask what his view point is. He quite clearly states he is against indoctrination but is for teaching religion.
Thankyou, at least someone is reading what I post :lol:
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Re: Is it immoral to teach children Christianity?

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VermilionUK wrote:It's been debated all over the place: Should we teach our Children Christianity?

By this, I mean: should children be taught to become Christian?
Or are people violating children's right to choose?

I personally think that they should be taught about Christianity (and the flaws of it), and left to make up their own choice.

If we look at the famous "Jesus Camp" we can see how it can be - in many ways - brainwashing. But of course this is an extreme example.

So, question for discussion: Should Children be taught to follow Christianity? Or is it immoral in todays society?

There's also a poll - if there isn't an option applicable to you, then please explain your thoughts.
Should we teach our children Christianity? Where are you writing from, Kuala-Lumpur? Christianity pervades Western society. It would be impossible to un-teach our children Christianity. Look at your dollar bill, my friend, and wonder in awe at the majesty.

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Re: Is it immoral to teach children Christianity?

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shakes wrote:
VermilionUK wrote:It's been debated all over the place: Should we teach our Children Christianity?

By this, I mean: should children be taught to become Christian?
Or are people violating children's right to choose?

I personally think that they should be taught about Christianity (and the flaws of it), and left to make up their own choice.

If we look at the famous "Jesus Camp" we can see how it can be - in many ways - brainwashing. But of course this is an extreme example.

So, question for discussion: Should Children be taught to follow Christianity? Or is it immoral in todays society?

There's also a poll - if there isn't an option applicable to you, then please explain your thoughts.
Should we teach our children Christianity? Where are you writing from, Kuala-Lumpur? Christianity pervades Western society. It would be impossible to un-teach our children Christianity. Look at your dollar bill, my friend, and wonder in awe at the majesty.
The purpose of this thread is not to "un-teach", but to create debate over the morals of indoctrination. I think children should be taught Christianity, but without indoctrination.

Being from the UK, we don't have "dollar bills", but on our £10 note we have Mr Charles Darwin 8-)

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T-mash wrote:
Jayhawker Soule wrote:
VermilionUK wrote:
Jayhawker Soule wrote: Did you ever even consider the fact that, to the extent your question paints Christianity as monolithic, it is obnoxiously stupid and insulting?
I don't think my question paints Christianity as "monolithic". My question is addressing an issue that schools are discussing at this very moment in time. I am not attempting to insult or poke fun at Christianity, I am merely highlighting a real life issue and opening it up for debate.
Jayhawker Soule wrote:And I'd advise you to actually study some of the theology you so persistently denigrate. Are people who share the views of an Albert Schweitzer or a Shirley Jackson Case or a Martin Luther King or an Abraham Joshua Heschel immoral? Are they immoral when they share those beliefs with their children? What about Quaker parents and their children?
I have no objection to "sharing" their beliefs with their children, but I do think it is wrong for a person to force their beliefs upon their child.
Oh, so we're talking about "force" now. You shift mileposts with such thoughtless abandon that its rather difficult to take you seriously.
His OP said: "I personally think that they should be taught about Christianity (and the flaws of it), and left to make up their own choice."

Seems to me you only read the title and claimed foul play without actually reading what he said or bothering to ask what his view point is. He quite clearly states he is against indoctrination but is for teaching religion.
How it seems to you is irrelevant.
  1. The question asked was: "Is it immoral to teach children Christianity?"
  2. What he further stated was:
    VermilionUK wrote:It's been debated all over the place: Should we teach our Children Christianity?

    By this, I mean: should children be taught to become Christian?
    Or are people violating children's right to choose?

    I personally think that they should be taught about Christianity (and the flaws of it), and left to make up their own choice.
So we see him greasing his sentences, sliding effortlessly from teaching children Christianity to teaching childen to become Christians to indoctrinating children and "violating children's right to choose." And now we're informed that "The purpose of this thread is ... to create debate over the morals of indoctrination."

It's slimy, hypocritical, agenda-driven wordplay, nothing more.

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McCulloch wrote:
Megaboomer wrote:----also your forgetting the fact that christianity was started by jewish people.
The Jewish religious movement of John the Baptist, Jesus of Nazareth, Peter, James the Just and Simeon of Jerusalem was never Christian in the modern sense of the word. Christianity was started by Paul, who claimed to be Jewish yet misrepresented almost every important tenet of Jewish belief on its ear trying to establish a Jewish pedigree for Christianity.
---what do you mean by Christianity is the modern cense?
---Christianity is, was, and always will be about the Death and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the sins of the world.
---anyone who say's they are Christians but follow a doctrine contrary to the bible is not following Christianity.
--- The doctrine in the bible is authored by the people you have stated here so I don’t see how you can argue it any further.
------ or maybe you don’t know that that the apostles, including Paul validate each others words as scripture.
------ also please verify what tenets or such that Paul misrepresented

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He Who Stands Defiant wrote:Lets flood the thread with quotes from a book. Flood :D , the point is that no main stream religion wants to have to compete with logic, they would disappear within 10 generations as they all they are are oversubscribed cults.


one word Indoctrination
----I object to the statement that "no main stream religion wants to have to compete with logic" because there are many books written by apologetics that prove the logic of christianity.

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