Italy's nominee to become the European Union's Justice and Home Affairs commissioner failed on Monday to win the backing of the European Parliament's Justice Committee, days after testifying that he considers homosexuality a sin.
The panel narrowly failed to endorse Rocco Buttiglione, who is currently Italy's European Affairs minister, said Jean-Louis Bourlanges, chairman of the Justice Committee.
Buttiglione said that he would fight for the rights of homosexuals, but would not back away from his statement that the lifestyle is sinful.
Isn't this the way it should be? Fight for the rights of homosexuals, but individuals, but define their lifestyle as sinful (Lev. 18:22).
Homosexuality
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Gay parents, and their kids.
Post #191I have met some gay men, who talk about their ex-wives and "children" (learned later that many homosexual men get "married" to women, in the hope they will become "heterosexual"). It appeared to me that many are loved (even by their ex-wives and children). From what I can recall, none of them told me that their kids were "gay". That's not a scientific study or anything, but I'm fairly certain that if one their children were gay they would have at least mentioned it.jjg wrote:That gy marriage answer was an excellent response. What do you think of children being raised by gay couples?
I think a child being raised by gay parent/s, may be difficult to for some people to talk about...but I don't believe it is as "rare" or as "unusual" as it appears to be. There are probably a lot of (straight) kids who know both their parents (or one of them) are gay. This may affect them socially, if it is revealed (made open), but doesn't seem to make them "homosexual".
By and large, and based upon the results of many studies I've seen, the child in question is not affected anymore negatively by having gay parents than straight ones. As I pointed out before, there is proof that some people raised in by "straight" parents in "normal" environments, turn out gay (I am one, whose parents were model "heterosexuals"). My "manliness" attests to the fact that Dad and Mom did a great job of providing me with a great societal model, based upon traditional values. I can go toe-to-toe with any male, and compete at most any level (except being a "womanizer"
). I have ZERO evidence which shows that my upbringing caused me to be "homosexual"; at one point, I would have welcomed any such a revelation, as it would have made sense of the social conflict what I was enduring. All of my siblings are heterosexual (as far as I know).The professional folks are likely still debating this issue, but I'm paying attention to it, and don't intend to support something that will harm children (merely because I happen to be a homosexual myself). Even so, there is significant evidence so far, that shows homosexuals are capable of raising "straight" children, and do.
-Mel-
"It is better to BE more like Jesus and assume to speak less for God." -MA-
Some Info/Discussion
Post #192http://archives.thedaily.washington.edu ... iller.html
http://www.colage.org/research/facts.html
http://www.usatoday.com/life/lifestyle/ ... ents_x.htm
The USA Today article sums up well, the facts and basic opinions I know about, at this time.
-Mel-[/url]
http://www.colage.org/research/facts.html
http://www.usatoday.com/life/lifestyle/ ... ents_x.htm
The USA Today article sums up well, the facts and basic opinions I know about, at this time.
-Mel-[/url]
"It is better to BE more like Jesus and assume to speak less for God." -MA-
Post #193
Like any personal stories...they are anecdotal by nature.
I've known a few people on a peer level that had gay parents...I also know
some gay couples raising kids. The kids seem to be fine. I think the sad thing
is when at some point they will find out what some segments of society think
of their parents.
I think most kids would rather two parents ( regardless of gender ) than
one.
I've known a few people on a peer level that had gay parents...I also know
some gay couples raising kids. The kids seem to be fine. I think the sad thing
is when at some point they will find out what some segments of society think
of their parents.
I think most kids would rather two parents ( regardless of gender ) than
one.
Hmmm...
Post #194Chimp,I think the sad thing is when at some point they will find out what some segments of society think of their parents.
You are coming so very CLOSE to the real issue here. And the peculiar thing is this, you employ COMPASSION to get THAT close; it's a good thing (IMO).
So, you see the problem very much as I would have here. People can handle being homosexual (or having homosexual parents). The more dire issue seems to be the lack of compassion and understanding represented by certain cruel people or perhaps society at large; they treat homosexuals badly, and invent ways of justifying it.
Now, with some people I would have to pull 30 of their teeth and practically sign a pact promising that I won't PUSH some obscure homosexual "agenda" upon them.
The reality is, that no one MUST condone what they believe is a sin, in order to understand how to be more HUMANE toward those they believe/think are sinners. What I've said above, is as much an APPEAL to ALL Christians and human beings (to be compassionate), as much as it is my point of view on these matters.
It's hard to express to someone who isn't homosexual, how much better life could/might have been, if homosexuality was something that could talked about more than it was "reacted to". And it's the irrational reactions that people need to learn to get away from, because freaking out tends to manifest itself as fear and hatred (even within the "Christian" community).
The result is the extremes we often see surrounding the issue (radical anti-gay attitudes AND radical pro-gay responses by some homosexuals). There is nothing "new" or remarkable about homosexual people "existing" in this world, but so many people ACT as if it is. I kind of chuckle really, when I hear some people talk about gay people, as if they are "crop-circles" or some other strange thing. LOL, it's like people don't expect that we exist, and that there are more than just a few of us around at any given place or time. So many people don't realize that gay people are their: mothers, fathers, ministers, doctors, paramedics, teachers, law enforcement officers, soldiers, fast-food workers...etc.
So, it's not hard for me to understand why from one day to the next, it seems calls for tolerance increase a little more; there are a LOT of silent homosexuals, who are more likely to speak out as time passes. And it won't be to take over society (as some extremists prefer to claim), but merely a plea for compassion and the recognition they deserve as human beings. Now that may seem radical to some folks, who have accepted the cruel-traditions of the present day, but it is actually sensible...and in no way undermines their rights or privileges to live the "moral" lives they see fit to live.
If anyone gets the chance, I hope they would go to the CBC links I posted (a couple of pages back):
LISTEN to the various modes of thinking, the actual attitudes and sentiments surrounding homosexual people and the related issues (over 40 years ago, to more modern days); it is an amazing thing to examine.
-Mel-
"It is better to BE more like Jesus and assume to speak less for God." -MA-
Post #195
You guys, this is the only thing that bothers me. Up here in Canada they have gay marriage which is fine.
But the Provincial government thiks they should teach about gay marriage in Catholic schools.
Gay marriage should be a private affair. But if you try to force it down other people's throats, you are making it other people's affairs.
But the Provincial government thiks they should teach about gay marriage in Catholic schools.
Gay marriage should be a private affair. But if you try to force it down other people's throats, you are making it other people's affairs.
Post #196
I think the argument there is...the Catholic school system gets funds from the
government. No other denomination or sect gets this privilege. In exchange
for the privilege the government is allowed to enforce some of the content
of the curriculum.
I assume it's some form of diversity education that is being advocated.
You really shouldn't worry...I'm sure the following Sunday you'll have an
excellent mass on the subject.
government. No other denomination or sect gets this privilege. In exchange
for the privilege the government is allowed to enforce some of the content
of the curriculum.
I assume it's some form of diversity education that is being advocated.
You really shouldn't worry...I'm sure the following Sunday you'll have an
excellent mass on the subject.
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Post #197
As soon as the Catholic schools stop taking public money, I would be fine with that.jjg wrote:You guys, this is the only thing that bothers me. Up here in Canada they have gay marriage which is fine.
But the Provincial government thiks they should teach about gay marriage in Catholic schools.
Gay marriage should be a private affair. But if you try to force it down other people's throats, you are making it other people's affairs.
Post #199
If that were true, you'd have a case for them to teach whatever they wanted
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