Christian Mental Health

[jcrawford]

As a Christian Mental Health practitioner, I sometimes wonder who gets to define and set the standards by which the state measures and determines the mental health of its citizens and schoolchildren.

Obviously, the ready answer on the lips of non-Christians is that state certified psychologists and psychiatrists alone should define and set the standards governing the mental health of all of its citizens. But this raises a problem for Christians who practice their own religious form of mental health therapy since secularists in government are opposed to any competition in the mental health fields from Christians who claim that the many psychological abuses of mental health treatments in US public schools constitute a violation of their civil right to choice in therapeutic treatments of their minds and souls.

Question for discussion and debate: Should Christian mental health be used as a standard for systems of comparitive mental health? If not, why not, and what justification is there for secular humanists in government judging the mental health of Christians if a Christian Mental Health system is superior to any other.

[jcrawford]

Mocking Christians instead of providing intelligently designed arguments backed up by any scientific resources to substantiate your own mental health claims is symptomatic of secular psychosocialists and unethical humanist psychiatrists.

That is such loaded bunch of pseudo-thought.

Pseudo-thought seems to be the order of the day.

You are the one making the claims.

Psychosocialists and mentally retarded psychiatrists seem to be making a few claims also.

Show us all these unethical humanist secular psychologists.

Secular psychology by definition is humanist and unethical since it follows no ethical system other than immoral humanist ethics.

Comparing whatever notion you might have of some Christian mental health to the serious doctor practicing medicine is like comparing a snake oil salesmen to a pharmacist.

Comparing soul-killing psychosocialists and unethical merchants of psychiatric drugs to serious and competent medical doctors is like comparing carpet-baggers to serious reconstructionists.

I am not mocking Christians I am mocking your ideas, if I can call them ideas.

Mock the ideas of one Christian and you mock all Christians.

[jcrawford]

Goat, you are not thinking circularly enough. Pentecostals had three times the rate of depression than anyone else because it was godless secular evolutionist deluded psychologists who were the ones doing the measuring. And they probably did not even think to do the study with a double blind.

I think I am starting to feel 3 times depressed myself.

Non-Christians using drugs feel depressed 30 times as often as Christians who practice Christian Mental Health do.

I suppose some like Crawford would just make the measument simple, Believe like me vs don't believe like me.

Believing in Christian Mental Health and the salvation of your soul is what makes Christian Mental Health techniques and practices far superior to taking drugs for the cure of your soul.

Solution, think like me.

Thinking God's thoughts after Him is the key to Christian Mental Health.

How do you know you are thinking right? By quoting magic veses from the bible.

You know you are thinking right when you reach for the Bible instead of some mind-altering and brain-damaging drugs.

[QED]

Mock the ideas of one Christian and you mock all Christians.

What a spooky notion. I wish I could climb inside a mind that thinks like that to answer the many questions I have about fundamentalist thinking. First on the list would be to turn my attention to other fundamentalists (e.g. Islamic Extremists) to see how I reacted to being on the receiving end of someone else's arbitrary convictions.

[Goat]

Thanks Confused for the info.

Here is a relevant portion quoted from the first source.

Strong scientific evidence supports the conclusion that ADHD is a biologically based disorder. Recently, National Institute of Mental Health researchers using PET scans have observed significantly lower metabolic activity in regions of the brain controlling attention, social judgment, and movement in those with ADHD than in those without the disorder. Biological studies also suggest that children with ADHD may have lower levels of the neurotransmitter dopamine in critical regions of the brain.

Other theories suggest that cigarette, alcohol, and drug use during pregnancy or exposure to environmental toxins such as lead may be linked to the development of ADHD. Research also suggests a strong genetic basis to ADHD -- the disorder tends to run in families. In addition, research has shown that certain forms of genes related to the dopamine neurotransmitter system are linked to increased likelihood of the disorder.

While early theories suggested that ADHD may be caused by minor head injuries or brain damage resulting from infections or complications at birth, research found this hypothesis to lack substantial supportive evidence. Furthermore, scientific studies have not verified dietary factors, another widely discussed possible influence for the development of ADHD, as a main cause of the disorder.

I would characterize this as there being strong but not conclusive evidence that ADHD has a biological/neurological basis in at least many cases. Certainly this evidence should be enough to warrant treatment by psychologists or psychiatrists.

Second opinions by medical experts are recommended by competent Christian Mental Health counselors.

http://www.adhdfraud.org/

http://www.breggin.com/prbbooks.html

Second opinions are recommended by just about everyone.

What objective evidence do you have that the 'CHristian Mental Health counselors' are compentant?

[McCulloch]

Non-Christians using drugs feel depressed 30 times as often as Christians who practice Christian Mental Health do.

I call for evidence. I'll even be quite lax in the standard of evidence. Please site anything published prior to the time you made this statement showing that a study has been made comparing the efficacy of the treatment of depression in non-Christians by drugs and the practice of Christian Mental Health which shows that the latter is somewhere between 29 and 31 times more effective.

[jcrawford]

Non-Christians using drugs feel depressed 30 times as often as Christians who practice Christian Mental Health do.

I call for evidence. I'll even be quite lax in the standard of evidence. Please site anything published prior to the time you made this statement showing that a study has been made comparing the efficacy of the treatment of depression in non-Christians by drugs and the practice of Christian Mental Health which shows that the latter is somewhere between 29 and 31 times more effective.

Since the average mentally healthy Christian gets depressed about once a month those who take anti-depressents daily for months at a time are depressed 30 times more often than mentally healthy Christians.

Speaking of depression, psychiatric repression, suppression and oppression is the cause of depression in most Christians.

https://www.cchr.org/store/index.php?cPath=25

[jcrawford]

View the following links for actual evidence based research and treatments for:

Depression:nami.org/Depression

The symptoms of depression include:

persistently sad or irritable mood
pronounced changes in sleep, appetite, and energy
difficulty thinking, concentrating, and remembering
physical slowing or agitation
lack of interest in or pleasure from activities that were once enjoyed
feelings of guilt, worthlessness, hopelessness, and emptiness
recurrent thoughts of death or suicide

Any good Christian Mental Health practitioner would attribute all of the above to the neglect of the health and care of one's soul with a special emphasis on the sinful lifestyle which a person may be leading resulting in anxiety and guilt over one's sins and misdeeds.

Even disbelief in sin and one's soul constitutes sin and unless atoned for and repented of, usually leads to many of the mental problems described above.

[Goat]

Non-Christians using drugs feel depressed 30 times as often as Christians who practice Christian Mental Health do.

I call for evidence. I'll even be quite lax in the standard of evidence. Please site anything published prior to the time you made this statement showing that a study has been made comparing the efficacy of the treatment of depression in non-Christians by drugs and the practice of Christian Mental Health which shows that the latter is somewhere between 29 and 31 times more effective.

Since the average mentally healthy Christian gets depressed about once a month those who take anti-depressents daily for months at a time are depressed 30 times more often than mentally healthy Christians.

Speaking of depression, psychiatric repression, suppression and oppression is the cause of depression in most Christians.

https://www.cchr.org/store/index.php?cPath=25

I do not see any evidence in that link. I just see a bunch of books for sale, and nothing in the contents of those books either.

Are you a salesman, or are you trying to provide evidence?

[jcrawford]

Do you not listen to anything posted by anyone here.

As much as anyone here listens to anything I post.

Validate your claims.

Do you read the links I post which validate my claims?

Christians don't commit suicide?

Nope. It is a sin to kill oneself.

Using medications to treat, now listen very carefully, a valid medical diagnosis is not using drugs to drown sorrows.

Psychiatric evaluations which diagnose mental problems as neurologically caused are not valid if not confirmed by licensed neurologists and Christian Mental Health experts.

Did you not look at any of the sites listed about the neurobiology about depression.

Yes. Very depressing.

I am wasing my breath with you. When you are ready to actually contribute something of substantial value, I will listen. As long as you evade and ignore, it is a waste of my time.

Check this link out for something of substantial value regarding the psychiatric death industry.

https://www.cchr.org/

[Goat]

Do you not listen to anything posted by anyone here.

As much as anyone here listens to anything I post.

Validate your claims.

Do you read the links I post which validate my claims?

Christians don't commit suicide?

Nope. It is a sin to kill oneself.

Using medications to treat, now listen very carefully, a valid medical diagnosis is not using drugs to drown sorrows.

Psychiatric evaluations which diagnose mental problems as neurologically caused are not valid if not confirmed by licensed neurologists and Christian Mental Health experts.

Did you not look at any of the sites listed about the neurobiology about depression.

Yes. Very depressing.

I am wasing my breath with you. When you are ready to actually contribute something of substantial value, I will listen. As long as you evade and ignore, it is a waste of my time.

Check this link out for something of substantial value regarding the psychiatric death industry.

https://www.cchr.org/

The CCHR is a front for scientiology.

CCHR was founded in 1969 by the Church of Scientology and the internationally acclaimed author, Dr. Thomas Szasz,

It isn't christian by any means. Are you willing to go by what the cult of scientology proclaims?