Here's how I see it

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It's nice to find this forum.

I believe that God created each kind of organism with intelligent design and inherent wisdom. He also instilled each creature with an adaptive phenotype so that all created animals could multiply and fill the earth by spreading out into many different environments and habitats. The advantage of this is obvious: Rather than having to wait thousands or millions of years for the correct mutation to provide the necessary genes, God made it so animals can adjust themselves on-the-fly to changing environments.....and then if these environments continue, the biological adjustments will be passed on to future generations.

It's a brilliantly simple idea that science simply refuses to test. In fact, this concept petrifies evolutionists to the core. Have you ever noticed how neo-darwinists never even discuss adaptive phenotypes or the ability of new traits to arise during development via the environment? Never. Oh, occasionally you might hear the word "saltationism" or "Lamarckism" thrown about in a negative tone, but evolutionists rarely have the guts to face reality to dive into these subjects deeply. In fact, I have never read an in-debth discussion about plasticity or environmentally induced biological changes in a neo-darwinist's book. And it's not that these people are dumb.....They're just simply too afraid to go there, in fear of planting seeds in people's minds. Their whole world-view depends on people's faith in their thoery -- and that there are no reasonable alternatives. So they just play like the alternative isn't there.

But if it can shown that animals' evolve/change in a different way than what evolutionists say, then their theory must be overthrown. They say the evolution of new traits happens gradually through the population over thouands/millions of years through random mutation via selection...I say it happens instantly, within the lifetime of the individual animal...no selection needed.

I also say new traits emerge in offspring nonrandomly in response to environmental cues. These traits form during development or even afterwards during the lifetime of the animal. New traits can be a result of plasticity or in the form of mutation during development. If the mutation occurs in somatic cells, only the individual (parent) organism is affected. If the mutation occurs in the germ cell, the mutation may pass on to the next generation -- though not necessarily expressed in the parent in which it arose.

It's as simple as that.

Both of these mechanisms I present are not new...I did not dream them up. It's just that evolutionists choose to ignore them.

So here's my proof:

new traits (fur color) formed instantly in offspring via diet of mother:

http://www.biotech-info.net/moms_diet.html

new traits form (moth wing pattern) during development based on external conditions, including background colors. (see bottom picture.) By the way, this disproves the peppered moth as an example of "proof" of Natural Selection.

http://ourfcs.friendscentral.org/moths/ ... nism1.html

Can evolutionists lead me to a link where a controlled experiment on animals was done?....where they tested to see what traits formed upon an environemental change??

I'd also like to see a controlled test done on animals that shows Natural Selection in action.

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Moderator Intervention

I would simply like to remind everyone to keep the debate civil. The fact that a forum member uses aliases at other sites is not really relevant to the debate, even if it is relevant to one's opinion of that forum member. Let's avoid ad hominem comments.

There are some good things happening in the thread, so let's keep things on the high road.

Amen to that! By the way, I kind of like this forum. Thank you Moderator for keeping things civil. S

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There are some good things happening in the thread, so let's keep things on the high road.

Yes, it's a pity that all "the good things" are emerging under such a vague topic title. In particular I think we should have branched-off the arguments about panselectionism into a topic of their own.