Where are the creationist scientists?

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Where are the creationist scientists?

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Zzyzx wrote:Creationists and other proponents of the literal flood base their arguments upon scripture (Bronze Age storytellers’ tales) rather than upon actual study of the fields of biology, meteorology, climatology, archeology, etc.
Easyrider wrote:Nuts. There are scientists in various scientific fields on both sides of the issue who investigate physical data.
Are there scientists in various scientific fields on the side of the literal flood, as described by the Bible? Please cite examples of published scientists who are recognized experts in their fields who have published works in their areas of expertise supporting the creationist flood.

What not to do: cite, for example, a meteorologist who has published a critique of evolution.

Using Zzyzx's list, show us someone who is doing new recognized research work in biology who is a published supporter of all life being evolved from a single boat load of specimens within the last 5,000 years. Show us a leading meteorologist who advocates that there were no rainbows before the alleged flood. Find an archaeologist who is taken seriously when he asserts that all existing human civilizations are descended from a single family that emerged near Mt. Ararat about 5,000 years ago. Find a hydrologist who believes that there is enough water on earth to have flooded the world. Find a geologist who echoes the claims made by creationists that the mountains were significantly lower during the time that humans inhabited earth.

Where are the creationist scientists?
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McCulloch wrote:
Beto wrote:A plant geneticist is not an expert in evolutionary biology.
I would think otherwise. What is plant genetics and plant breeding but applied evolution? Isn't he studying the the limits of genetic change, the foundation block of the evolutionary process? True, his area of expertise limits him to discussing botanical evolution, the less well known branch of evolutionary biology.
Why not take a look at the current course curriculum?

http://www.hort.wisc.edu/pbpg/Course%20of%20Study.htm

Comparing that to Yale's curriculum on Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, I'm positive Sanford was nowhere near to being an expert on evolutionary biology (botanical or otherwise) when he was writing papers on plant genetics.
McCulloch wrote:I would have thought that being granted a PhD in plant breeding and genetics, he would have had to have made a real contribution in the field of genetics.
Not really, if you check the course curriculum.

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Beto wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
Beto wrote:A plant geneticist is not an expert in evolutionary biology.
I would think otherwise. What is plant genetics and plant breeding but applied evolution? Isn't he studying the the limits of genetic change, the foundation block of the evolutionary process? True, his area of expertise limits him to discussing botanical evolution, the less well known branch of evolutionary biology.
Why not take a look at the current course curriculum?

http://www.hort.wisc.edu/pbpg/Course%20of%20Study.htm

Comparing that to Yale's curriculum on Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, I'm positive Sanford was nowhere near to being an expert on evolutionary biology (botanical or otherwise) when he was writing papers on plant genetics.
McCulloch wrote:I would have thought that being granted a PhD in plant breeding and genetics, he would have had to have made a real contribution in the field of genetics.
Not really, if you check the course curriculum.
  • The Ph.D. degree in Plant Breeding and Plant Genetics requires satisfactory completion of two oral examinations: the preliminary exam, which is a comprehensive exam, and the final exam, which focuses on the thesis research and related subject matter.
For a PhD, you must not just finish the required course work, but you must also present and defend an original thesis. At least that is my understanding, and the understanding of my sister when she got hers (Optometry).

I could not find a comparable plant genetics program at Yale.
How about:
  • University of Iowa Genetics graduate program
  • Cornell University Molecular Biology and Genetics graduate program
  • University of California Davis Graduate Studies in Genetics
  • University of Georgia--Graduate Program in Genetics
  • North Carolina State Graduate program in Statistical Genetics
  • Washington University St. Louis Biology and Biomedical Sciences
  • University of Missouri-Columbia Genetics Area Program
  • Penn State - Huck Institutes of Life Sciences
  • University of Minnesota - Graduate Program in the Department of Agronomy and Plant Genetics
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I guess what I'm questioning here is whether or not an expert geologist arguing for YEC is the same as an expert geneticist arguing against the TOE. How many specialized fields of study are encompassed by the TOE? And YEC?

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