Has science found God?

Creationism, Evolution, and other science issues

Moderator: Moderators

Post Reply
User avatar
1213
Savant
Posts: 12737
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:06 am
Location: Finland
Has thanked: 444 times
Been thanked: 467 times

Has science found God?

Post #1

Post by 1213 »

As Bible suggests, this world is like a computer simulation. And now some have found evidence this could be true, world may be like a computer simulation. What say you, have science found God, the programmer of the universe?

"Simulation theory is a theoretical hypothesis that says what people perceive as reality is actually an advanced, hyper-realistic computer simulation, possibly overseen by a higher being".
https://builtin.com/hardware/simulation-theory

"Do you ever experience something and think to yourself, “This can’t be real.” To some people who have bought into the notion that our reality is currently being simulated, there are examples all around us, that demonstrate glitches in the Matrix. Deja Vu? Ghosts? The Mandela Effect? These could all be direct examples of flaws in the simulation."
https://interestingengineering.com/scie ... ion-theory

"MIT Theoretical physicist James Gates has made a discovery that allegedly caused Neil deGrasse Tyson to sit down in shock. Now for the uninitiated, superstring theory is a concept that could unify all aspects of physics if proven right. While working on his superstring theory, he made an odd discovery. Gates claims to have identified what appears to be actual computer code embedded in the equations of string theory that describe the fundamental particles of our universe. In short, he found “error-correcting codes,” the same error-correcting codes that you might find on the web browser you are using right now."
https://interestingengineering.com/scie ... ion-theory
My new book can be read freely from here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rIkqxC ... xtqFY/view

Old version can be read from here:
http://web.archive.org/web/202212010403 ... x_eng.html

User avatar
Tcg
Savant
Posts: 8667
Joined: Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:01 am
Location: Third Stone
Has thanked: 2257 times
Been thanked: 2369 times

Re: Has science found God?

Post #51

Post by Tcg »

The Barbarian wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:50 pm Science can't find God.

But scientists can.
Do you expect these bald assertions to be accepted
By definition, science is limited to the physical universe.

And since many scientists are theists, it's very clear that they can find God.
You've provided nothing to support your previous bald assertion than to supply another. What evidence can you provide that it is indeed "God" that they have "found?"

Now, I suppose an atheist would say we are just kidding ourselves. So there is that.
What "an atheist" would or wouldn't say is irrelevant to your unsupported claims. Care to provide evidence to support what you have claimed?


Tcg

User avatar
The Barbarian
Guru
Posts: 1236
Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:40 pm
Has thanked: 264 times
Been thanked: 757 times

Re: Has science found God?

Post #52

Post by The Barbarian »

Tcg wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:32 pm
The Barbarian wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:50 pm Science can't find God.

But scientists can.
Do you expect these bald assertions to be accepted
By definition, science is limited to the physical universe.
And since many scientists are theists, it's very clear that they can find God.
You've provided nothing to support your previous bald assertion than to supply another. What evidence can you provide that it is indeed "God" that they have "found?"
None whatever. Faith is not something that science can deal with.
Now, I suppose an atheist would say we are just kidding ourselves. So there is that.
What "an atheist" would or wouldn't say is irrelevant to your unsupported claims. Care to provide evidence to support what you have claimed?
Tcg
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Not everyone accepts that, of course. And we're all free to decide.

User avatar
The Barbarian
Guru
Posts: 1236
Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:40 pm
Has thanked: 264 times
Been thanked: 757 times

Re: Has science found God?

Post #53

Post by The Barbarian »

William wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:59 pm [Replying to The Barbarian in post #48]

IF.
Science can't find God, But scientists can.

THEN
Scientists who can should be able to develop a science that can.
My point is that scientists are not limited as science is limited. Science is pretty much my life. But I am often unscientific myself.

User avatar
Tcg
Savant
Posts: 8667
Joined: Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:01 am
Location: Third Stone
Has thanked: 2257 times
Been thanked: 2369 times

Re: Has science found God?

Post #54

Post by Tcg »

The Barbarian wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:16 pm
Tcg wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:32 pm
The Barbarian wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:50 pm Science can't find God.

But scientists can.
Do you expect these bald assertions to be accepted
By definition, science is limited to the physical universe.
And since many scientists are theists, it's very clear that they can find God.
You've provided nothing to support your previous bald assertion than to supply another. What evidence can you provide that it is indeed "God" that they have "found?"
None whatever. Faith is not something that science can deal with.
Now, I suppose an atheist would say we are just kidding ourselves. So there is that.
What "an atheist" would or wouldn't say is irrelevant to your unsupported claims. Care to provide evidence to support what you have claimed?
Tcg
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Not everyone accepts that, of course. And we're all free to decide.
The Bible? That's what you are presenting as evidence that some scientists "can find God?" That opens a whole other can of worms. Of course, here you've only claimed the one verse. Now you simply have to provide evidence sufficient to establish that verse is true oh and that it actually supports your claim that some scientists "can find God." That's quite a task especially considering that verse makes a universal claim rather than the limited one you are making.


Tcg
To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.

- American Atheists


Not believing isn't the same as believing not.

- wiploc


I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.

- Irvin D. Yalom

User avatar
The Barbarian
Guru
Posts: 1236
Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:40 pm
Has thanked: 264 times
Been thanked: 757 times

Re: Has science found God?

Post #55

Post by The Barbarian »

Tcg wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 10:38 pm
The Barbarian wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:16 pm Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Not everyone accepts that, of course. And we're all free to decide.
The Bible?[/quote]

The Bible acknowledges that it is not the only source of truth about God.
That's what you are presenting as evidence that some scientists "can find God?" That opens a whole other can of worms.
Yep. Bottom line? One accepts God on faith or not at all. C.S. Lewis might have objected to that. He apparently reasoned his way to belief.

User avatar
Clownboat
Savant
Posts: 10009
Joined: Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:42 pm
Has thanked: 1216 times
Been thanked: 1610 times

Re: Has science found God?

Post #56

Post by Clownboat »

The Barbarian wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:50 pm Science can't find God.

But scientists can.
Science cannot confirm that the gods are human inventions.

But scientists can.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.

I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU

It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco

If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb

User avatar
William
Savant
Posts: 15247
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:11 pm
Location: Te Waipounamu
Has thanked: 974 times
Been thanked: 1800 times
Contact:

Re: Has science found God?

Post #57

Post by William »

The Barbarian wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:20 pm
William wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:59 pm [Replying to The Barbarian in post #48]

IF.
Science can't find God, But scientists can.

THEN
Scientists who can should be able to develop a science that can.
My point is that scientists are not limited as science is limited. Science is pretty much my life. But I am often unscientific myself.
It is hard to ascertain from your reply what your point is.
Image

An immaterial nothing creating a material something is as logically sound as square circles and married bachelors.


Unjustified Fact Claim(UFC) example - belief (of any sort) based on personal subjective experience. (Belief-based belief)
Justified Fact Claim(JFC) Example, The Earth is spherical in shape. (Knowledge-based belief)
Irrefutable Fact Claim (IFC) Example Humans in general experience some level of self-awareness. (Knowledge-based knowledge)

User avatar
Tcg
Savant
Posts: 8667
Joined: Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:01 am
Location: Third Stone
Has thanked: 2257 times
Been thanked: 2369 times

Re: Has science found God?

Post #58

Post by Tcg »

The Barbarian wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 10:47 pm
Tcg wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 10:38 pm
The Barbarian wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:16 pm Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Not everyone accepts that, of course. And we're all free to decide.
The Bible?
The Bible acknowledges that it is not the only source of truth about God.
That's what you are presenting as evidence that some scientists "can find God?" That opens a whole other can of worms.
Yep. Bottom line? One accepts God on faith or not at all. C.S. Lewis might have objected to that. He apparently reasoned his way to belief.
[/quote]

Accepts God on faith? That doesn't even match your claim under consideration, or the verse you provided and certainly isn't evidence to support your claim. I have no idea what Lewis (who was not a scientist) "apparently" did has to do with any of this.


Tcg
To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.

- American Atheists


Not believing isn't the same as believing not.

- wiploc


I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.

- Irvin D. Yalom

User avatar
The Barbarian
Guru
Posts: 1236
Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:40 pm
Has thanked: 264 times
Been thanked: 757 times

Re: Has science found God?

Post #59

Post by The Barbarian »

Accepts God on faith?
Only way to do it. Science, by definition, can't. Even Richard Dawkins admit that God might exist, although he thinks that if God does exist, he's not a very nice guy.
That doesn't even match your claim under consideration, or the verse you provided and certainly isn't evidence to support your claim.

I have no idea what Lewis (who was not a scientist) "apparently" did has to do with any of this.
Lewis wrote that he became a Christian based on evidence and reasoning. The one thing that did resonate with me was that His disciples were willing to undergo torture and horrible deaths rather than deny that after His death, he returned to them and conversed and ate with them. If they were lying, they took it to an incredible extreme.

User avatar
The Barbarian
Guru
Posts: 1236
Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:40 pm
Has thanked: 264 times
Been thanked: 757 times

Re: Has science found God?

Post #60

Post by The Barbarian »

My point is that scientists are not limited as science is limited. Science is pretty much my life. But I am often unscientific myself.
It is hard to ascertain from your reply what your point is.
As Stephen Gould put it, science and religion are non-overlapping magisteria.

Post Reply