What assumptions must be made. Part 1:
What scientific and engineering assumptions must we make about the story of Noah's Ark that would render the story a true fact?
* Can we make assumptions that are based soundly in science that could render the story plausible?
* What gaps in the story must we fill in?
* Christians, what assumptions have you made about the flood story that has kept it alive for you over the years?
We could discuss the science of the flood - but I think it would help to concentrate on one thing at a time: In this case the ship itself and it's ability to contain all the animals 2 by 2 and deal with waves and being shipwrecked on a mountain etc...
Noah's Ark an engineering masterpiece!
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Post #51
It has to be a story to sink-in to peoples minds. Of course God could "cut to the chase" and skip all the nonsense in-between, but then what toys could be made for countless generations of kids to grow up with that would remind them of this particular cautionary tale?
(In many Victorian households, the only toys that children were allowed to play with on Sundays were Noah's Arks)
(In many Victorian households, the only toys that children were allowed to play with on Sundays were Noah's Arks)
Post #53
There is the possibility that the Biblical flood refers to the formation of the Black Sea:
I still can't understand peoples belief in such stories though it certainly shows that we are still in our adolescent stage even after c. 150,000-300,000 years since the first REAL EVE (a figure based on REAL research).
Dr. Robert Ballard, who became famous as the discoverer of the wreck of the Titanic, has another theory about the ark. Through the end of the last ice age 12,000 years ago, sea levels sank more and more as water was frozen into the world's polar ice packs. The Black Sea, just east of Turkey, was cut off from the Mediterranean Sea by a set of mountains. As the world warmed and the ice packs melted about 7,500 years ago the ocean rose but the Black Sea, still protected from the the Mediterranean by a natural dam, stayed at its old level. The difference eventually reached 500 feet. Then something (perhaps a minor earthquake or a huge rainstorm) caused the dam to collapse. The result was a waterfall 200 times as powerful as Niagara that could be heard 300 miles away. The Black Sea expanded along some of its shallow shorelines at the rate of a mile a day, undoubtedly covering seaside villages in less than a week..
I still can't understand peoples belief in such stories though it certainly shows that we are still in our adolescent stage even after c. 150,000-300,000 years since the first REAL EVE (a figure based on REAL research).
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Post #54
Every once in a while my brain works. Weird huh.Cmass wrote:Why is it, that when Confused quotes scripture I can actually read it without falling asleep or screaming "get to the f$*%& point!"
This is a really nice piece of logic Confused!
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What we do for others and the world remains
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Post #55
I think it is time to move on to part 2, the flood. That seems to be where most of the posts are leading to. Besides, I have some cool research on it.Cmass wrote:Yikes!(In many Victorian households, the only toys that children were allowed to play with on Sundays were Noah's Arks)
What we do for ourselves dies with us,
What we do for others and the world remains
and is immortal.
-Albert Pine
Never be bullied into silence.
Never allow yourself to be made a victim.
Accept no one persons definition of your life; define yourself.
-Harvey Fierstein
What we do for others and the world remains
and is immortal.
-Albert Pine
Never be bullied into silence.
Never allow yourself to be made a victim.
Accept no one persons definition of your life; define yourself.
-Harvey Fierstein
Post #56
OK Confused. You prayed properly for it and thus I have answered:I think it is time to move on to part 2, the flood. That seems to be where most of the posts are leading to. Besides, I have some cool research on it.
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 9783#79783
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Post #57
lol EVIDENCE? Fiction is Evidence? Animals hibernate due to Isolating Methods. For EX.POLOAR BEAR Seasons change, and prey is hard to come by another EX of Ultimate causation. It is an Innate stimulus.
Cathar1950 wrote:Yes I have read it in some Creationist books.Cmass wrote:Are you serious? I have not heard that before.I have seen that used as evidence. The reason animals hybernate today is because it is a throw back to when God had to put them all asleep in the Ark.
More then twice.
The rest because they needed procreate - desperately
Post #58God put them to sleep on the Ark so they would not be sleepy when it was time to populate the world again. Keep in mind just how much humping had to begin immediately in order to keep the various species alive! So, after leaving the ark and humping their little brains out for days and days, they needed rest so.... they "hybernated" like they did on the Ark in order to get ready for the next humping session. I'm surprised nobody has considered what that landscape would have actually looked like after the ship landed: A desolate landscape with nowhere to hide....so all the animals would be humping out in the open for all to see.....and then resting....and then humping....and finally giving birth.
I wonder, at what point the animals began to eat each other and each other's young again?
I wonder, at what point the animals began to eat each other and each other's young again?
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Post #59
From this I'm goign to assume you're talking about Mitochondrial Eve, and following the same faulty logic that creationists do when reading about it. It is not that there was only one breeding female at the time and we are all her decendants, it is that we have interbreed so much that we are all related to the same woman who lived at that time. There are actually numerous Mitochondrial Eves, not just one, and we are all related to them all.Chem wrote:There is the possibility that the Biblical flood refers to the formation of the Black Sea:I still can't understand peoples belief in such stories though it certainly shows that we are still in our adolescent stage even after c. 150,000-300,000 years since the first REAL EVE (a figure based on REAL research).Dr. Robert Ballard, who became famous as the discoverer of the wreck of the Titanic, has another theory about the ark. Through the end of the last ice age 12,000 years ago, sea levels sank more and more as water was frozen into the world's polar ice packs. The Black Sea, just east of Turkey, was cut off from the Mediterranean Sea by a set of mountains. As the world warmed and the ice packs melted about 7,500 years ago the ocean rose but the Black Sea, still protected from the the Mediterranean by a natural dam, stayed at its old level. The difference eventually reached 500 feet. Then something (perhaps a minor earthquake or a huge rainstorm) caused the dam to collapse. The result was a waterfall 200 times as powerful as Niagara that could be heard 300 miles away. The Black Sea expanded along some of its shallow shorelines at the rate of a mile a day, undoubtedly covering seaside villages in less than a week..
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Post #60
One of the huge assumptions we would have to make is that technology existed for Noah to travel around the globe in a few days and bring with him two polar bears from the Arctic, two llamas from South America, two kangaroos from Australia, two komodo dragons from Indonesia, and so on and so forth... and then for these animals to adapt to life inside a ship for almost two months.... and then for them to return to their natural habitats. I mean, this was a WORLD flood, was it not?
Oh, and a pair of each type of dinosaur!
Oh, and a pair of each type of dinosaur!
