If not the Consensus of Experts, Who ought we Trust?

[boatsnguitars]

If there is a consensus among experts on an issue, should we - presumably non-experts - provisionally accept their view?
If not, how do you come to a provisional belief about something that you don't know anything about it?

For example, should a person who hasn't heard of Jesus accept that the consensus of experts that Jesus most probably was a real person?
Should we accept the vast majority of Climate Scientists on Climate Change? (Or should we reject Environmentalism because it's all about the money, unlike - I guess - the oil industry....)
Should we accept the consensus of doctors on Covid, or listen to our Aunt who read in her tea leaves and claims the vaccine is so the Gub'm'n't can track us?
If you were to take an airplane, would you want someone who has passed a series of tests proctored by experts, or someone who claims to know how to fly on Faith?

The Bonus Question is: How do you know if someone is an expert on God or the Supernatural? What can we test them on? If they can quote their Holy Text?

[LittleNipper]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #26]

Dear Clownboat, All religious concerns are not valid in the eyes of the LORD. As for "experts," the reality is that 1 Corinthians 1:27-29
God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.

Another example of Christians gaslighting people. Up is down, experts aren't experts - non-experts are experts, right is wrong, left is right, weak is strong, the meek shall inherit, wise isn't wise, etc. It's the perfect religion for people who want to remain ignorant but feel their ignorance is a feature not a bug.

And Why is God wanting to shame anyone? Why would he want to shame the wise? To show that we aren't as wise as we think?

Well, why punish humanity for the sin of Adam and Eve (trying to gain wisdom) if we aren't benefiting from the wisdom we presumably stole? Or, if that's not the appropriate narrative (depending on which Christian you are), why did God create a species (humans) that would aspire to be wise only to make it impossible and therefore something to punish them for?

It's like I purposely fed my child lead to make him stupid, then continually pointed out how dumb he was every time he tried to learn something. It's downright cruel.

What a bizarre religion to worship such a monsterous God!

What a bizarre religion is to teach your child that she can be a "he" or an "It", if she so desires. A bizarre religion is to encourage the belief that marriage is for any combination of gender anyone desires and it's okay, it's fine, and it doesn't matter. It's like sending your child to public school with the hope that they will learn to reject GOD and when they die they will cease to exist. Adam and Eve didn't gain wisdom. They gained the knowledge of good and evil but had no way of controlling evil thoughts which led to evil deeds, and soon they rejected what was good ---- not a wise thing in the least.

[boatsnguitars]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #26]

Dear Clownboat, All religious concerns are not valid in the eyes of the LORD. As for "experts," the reality is that 1 Corinthians 1:27-29
God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.

Another example of Christians gaslighting people. Up is down, experts aren't experts - non-experts are experts, right is wrong, left is right, weak is strong, the meek shall inherit, wise isn't wise, etc. It's the perfect religion for people who want to remain ignorant but feel their ignorance is a feature not a bug.

And Why is God wanting to shame anyone? Why would he want to shame the wise? To show that we aren't as wise as we think?

Well, why punish humanity for the sin of Adam and Eve (trying to gain wisdom) if we aren't benefiting from the wisdom we presumably stole? Or, if that's not the appropriate narrative (depending on which Christian you are), why did God create a species (humans) that would aspire to be wise only to make it impossible and therefore something to punish them for?

It's like I purposely fed my child lead to make him stupid, then continually pointed out how dumb he was every time he tried to learn something. It's downright cruel.

What a bizarre religion to worship such a monsterous God!

What a bizarre religion is to teach your child that she can be a "he" or an "It", if she so desires. A bizarre religion is to encourage the belief that marriage is for any combination of gender anyone desires and it's okay, it's fine, and it doesn't matter. It's like sending your child to public school with the hope that they will learn to reject GOD and when they die they will cease to exist. Adam and Eve didn't gain wisdom. They gained the knowledge of good and evil but had no way of controlling evil thoughts which led to evil deeds, and soon they rejected what was good ---- not a wise thing in the least.

It's funny. I wonder. After all this time worrying about your gender - in Heaven, will you still have a Gender?

[LittleNipper]

It's funny. I wonder. After all this time worrying about your gender - in Heaven, will you still have a Gender?
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Matthew 22:30 For when the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage. In this respect they will be like the angels in heaven.

[Clownboat]

What a bizarre religion is to teach your child that she can be a "he" or an "It", if she so desires.

You sure make it obvious that there is no god helping you with these replies and you really need to learn the meaning of the words:
re·li·gion
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers, especially a God or gods.

What you call a religion doesn't even come close, therefore this is nothing but a weak attempt to level the playing field.

A bizarre religion is to encourage the belief that marriage is for any combination of gender anyone desires and it's okay, it's fine, and it doesn't matter.

Again, what you call a religion doesn't even come close, therefore this is nothing but a weak attempt to level the playing field.

It's like sending your child to public school with the hope that they will learn to reject GOD and when they die they will cease to exist.

No one should pretend to know what happens to us when we die and it is only private schools that teach about the different gods and places to go once dead. You shouldn't project your actions on to others especially when what you are claiming is untrue.

Adam and Eve didn't gain wisdom. They gained the knowledge of good and evil but had no way of controlling evil thoughts which led to evil deeds, and soon they rejected what was good ---- not a wise thing in the least.

Sure, sure...
Then what did the ineffective punishing god concept do next?
Kicked them out of the garden and made all women suffer during child abuse. Now what did that accomplish? Not much, because soon this ineffective god concept was killing of all life on the planet, save for 8 people. Now what did that accomplish? Not much, because he then had to send his son to die on behalf of humanity. Now look at the world around us and tell me what that accomplished.

Your god concept is an ineffective punishing God and the best you can do is to pretend that schools teach similar bizarre teachings about what happens after death in an attempt to level the playing field. All of this is very telling.

[Clownboat]

It's funny. I wonder. After all this time worrying about your gender - in Heaven, will you still have a Gender?

Matthew 22:30 For when the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage. In this respect they will be like the angels in heaven.

Claiming that they will be like angels failed to address the question that was asked of you. I'm guessing you don't want to go down the 'gender doesn't matter much in heaven road' as it would make your complaints about gender here on earth pretty meaningless IMO.

[LittleNipper]

It's funny. I wonder. After all this time worrying about your gender - in Heaven, will you still have a Gender?

Matthew 22:30 For when the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage. In this respect they will be like the angels in heaven.

Claiming that they will be like angels failed to address the question that was asked of you. I'm guessing you don't want to go down the 'gender doesn't matter much in heaven road' as it would make your complaints about gender here on earth pretty meaningless IMO.

I don't know what your problem is however, according to the Bible, there would seem to be is no sexual activity in heaven. However, I feel that if one was born a female that one in heaven with be such and if one was born a male on earth, one will remain one in heaven.

[brunumb]

I don't know what your problem is however, according to the Bible, there would seem to be is no sexual activity in heaven. However, I feel that if one was born a female that one in heaven with be such and if one was born a male on earth, one will remain one in heaven.

Sex evolved on the earth as a method of reproduction. What would be the point of sex/gender in heaven?

[LittleNipper]

I don't know what your problem is however, according to the Bible, there would seem to be is no sexual activity in heaven. However, I feel that if one was born a female that one in heaven with be such and if one was born a male on earth, one will remain one in heaven.

Sex evolved on the earth as a method of reproduction. What would be the point of sex/gender in heaven?

GOD established sex as the means to populate the planet.

[brunumb]

I don't know what your problem is however, according to the Bible, there would seem to be is no sexual activity in heaven. However, I feel that if one was born a female that one in heaven with be such and if one was born a male on earth, one will remain one in heaven.

Sex evolved on the earth as a method of reproduction. What would be the point of sex/gender in heaven?

GOD established sex as the means to populate the planet.

And the answer to my question?

[LittleNipper]

I don't know what your problem is however, according to the Bible, there would seem to be is no sexual activity in heaven. However, I feel that if one was born a female that one in heaven with be such and if one was born a male on earth, one will remain one in heaven.

Sex evolved on the earth as a method of reproduction. What would be the point of sex/gender in heaven?

GOD established sex as the means to populate the planet.

And the answer to my question?

Who says that there is gender in heaven?