
Why do you believe in Creationism or Evolution?
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Why do you believe in Creationism or Evolution?
Post #1so why do u believe in evolution or creationism??? 

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Oh goody a sermon, this should be fun!
Atheists make decent soldiers, should the cause be just, but they make crappy suicide bombers.... or more pilots who avoid buildings as it were.
I do not "cry out to God in trouble", since I acknowledge that there is no such entity to "cry out" to. I only express a message equivalent to "Well that didn't work.", with a sufficient number of added expletives as the situation allows, and broadcast it out so that I and those around me can understand that I am not a particularly sociable person at that particular point in time.
Plus it makes me feel better.
Sweat can wear off whatever thin layer of colored foam-paint that was originally used to paint the inside of your shoe.
Evolution is based on the current data that we have collected about biological organisms. Find another explanation that better fits the empirical evidence and submit it for peer-review. If it is solid, then you can expect a Nobel prize in the near future.
What do I get then if I disprove your religion?
We just build stuff.
At least in this world we don't stone disobediant children.
If we didn't, then we would be extinct, since we are effectively outclassed in our ability to do other things by other animals.
'Tis a shame that being willfully ignorant is legal.
The rest of the post is junk and if any good Christian feels a bit insulted by the post above, then they have an understanding of my reaction to reading Tom's post.
Good day.
They did that during the dark ages. It didn't seem to work out too well for them.Tom wrote:I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, because His words, Gods words are the only words that have ever penetrated my sole in any doctrine of any kind. I believe if we searched for God just 5% of the time we used to research all the other non-God theories including the evolution theory, we would all be Christians.
...and "they" would be wrong.As they say, "there are no atheist in a fox hole".
Atheists make decent soldiers, should the cause be just, but they make crappy suicide bombers.... or more pilots who avoid buildings as it were.
...and you would be wrong.We all cry out for the "Lord" (even if we don't know him) when we are in deep trouble. What is it that we are saying when we do this. I believe we say, I thought I can handle it but I am not god, but you are and I know you are real and you can help me. Meditate on why we cry out to God in impossible situations, it is very enlightening and wonderful.
I do not "cry out to God in trouble", since I acknowledge that there is no such entity to "cry out" to. I only express a message equivalent to "Well that didn't work.", with a sufficient number of added expletives as the situation allows, and broadcast it out so that I and those around me can understand that I am not a particularly sociable person at that particular point in time.
Plus it makes me feel better.

I do not think this is an issue with God, but rather an issue with your shoe manufacturer. Perhaps you should frequent another shoe store.God created us with a hole in our soles,
Wear socks.a missing link that a lot of us choose to ignore or replace with something else which never quite fits. ( I don't blame you, I've been there, this world can turn any man's sole black as coal)
Sweat can wear off whatever thin layer of colored foam-paint that was originally used to paint the inside of your shoe.
Quit projecting please.But we choose to tough it out through our lives trying fervently to fill it until that moment of trouble or that moment of death when we cry out for it to be filled. We then cry out for that God that we know exists and is the only living being that can save us.
So in other words, you have an incredibly loose grip on the English language?Evolution like physical death has become reality in our lives. Physical death without a doubt is real, evolution on the other hand is so full of holes, it's basically become an emotion rather than a reality.
Evolution is based on the current data that we have collected about biological organisms. Find another explanation that better fits the empirical evidence and submit it for peer-review. If it is solid, then you can expect a Nobel prize in the near future.
What do I get then if I disprove your religion?
...just as you believe in gravity.Even if you choose to believe in evolution,
Does your toaster give you the internet that you were looking for?does it give you that peace you were looking for?
But with the means to eventually find a clue...Do you feel like celebrating. Great let's celebrate the following. We are all alone in this universe without a clue.
Or Santa Claus, for that matter.Because it somehow started without any motivation by anyone including God.
No, actually by numbers and the number of generations that have passed, bacteria are the most evolved species on the planet.Therefore, since we are the highest "evolved" creatures we know of, we must then take the responsibility of a god.
We just build stuff.
As opposed to waiting for some nonexistant entity to suddenly appear and tell us what to do.We are our own gods but don't have godly power. We have to make out own decisions. This should really scare us all, in fact the reason why the world is the way it is now is because through our enormous pride we have elected ourselves as gods.
No, ignorance is the worst killer of mankind, unjustified pride being a consequence of said ignorance.Pride is the worst killer of mankind, it destroys everything it touches.
No, it would be worse.Do you think if every living man on Earth humbled himself to the Lord, the world would be such as it is?
At least in this world we don't stone disobediant children.
The same, human beings are creative enough to find new absurd reasons to kill each other.And let's take this one step back. Do you think that if there was no notion of a God at all, the world would be a better world or worse?
We can build stuff to bend portions of it to our will.There is a distinct difference between humans and the rest of the creatures on this Earth. We have the ability to go against nature.
We build stuff.This is new and like no other creature ever known.
If we didn't, then we would be extinct, since we are effectively outclassed in our ability to do other things by other animals.
Nope, the brain is quite physical and fleshy.This is a gigantic step in "evolutionary history" We have a will. To have a will is to have more than just a sole and body. There must be something in us that allows for this will, other then flesh, water, and bones.
There are, no doubt, many things which you have not seen.We have the will to commit suicide (I have never seen a chimp jump from a tall tree).
Yes, I would agree that humanity does have a knack for self-delusion.We have the will to have compassion towards other animals. We have the ability to know that there is a Creator.
...and the less religiously inclined have the ability to do something useful.We have the ability to pray rather than take revenge.
You don't understand what "evolutionary" means, do you?We have the ability to give our last bit of food, rather than keep it for ourselves. In the evolutionary theory, we are doomed. The most evolved creature on earth is acting counter-evolutionary. At the same time, we are fighting with all our will to become just like the animals. We are trying our best to become evolutionary.
Hardly.My argument though brief
You honestly haven't a clue what you are speaking about, do you?says that it is impossible for us to fit the evolution theory. We just can't be part of it.
Or your haven't a bloody clue what you are talking about and have extracted the last couple of paragraphs from a convenient orifice.We are either a big evolutionary goof-up whom are doomed to extinction and then once again there will be a peaceful balance on earth with creatures without a spirit, or there is God whom created us in Their own image and therefore the rest of the Bible is perfectly true.
Someone's been strolling through creationist sites again haven't they...Which is more real to you? Let's just say that evolution was backed up without holes in it. Well, the problem then is that the chance of life coming from nothing to this point on earth (even if this was possible) is less than the chance of a tornado ripping through a dump and building an F-15 fighter plane. On top of this, evolution is so full of holes, "you've got to be kidding" is what comes to my mind and I know that deep inside that spirit of yours, you feel the same way.
'Tis a shame that being willfully ignorant is legal.
The rest of the post is junk and if any good Christian feels a bit insulted by the post above, then they have an understanding of my reaction to reading Tom's post.
Good day.
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Post #32All right, chaps. This has grown from the question as to what view we hold into a debate on why we hold those views. Might I suggest if we are to debate christianity, we do so in the proper forum. If we are to debate creationism and evolution, broach those topics in other threads.
We don't mind a bit of deviation from the thread to set things right, but it's beginning to be a little too much.
Any debate over these finds should be addressed in the appropriate thread/s.
We don't mind a bit of deviation from the thread to set things right, but it's beginning to be a little too much.
I take it you are a rationalist, otherwise you would not have gone to such great length to come this point. I would love to debate the effect of rationalism on Christian thought if you just post a new topic in the appropriate subforum. At the moment it would derail the thread.Warren wrote:First free will. The majority of humans, since the origins of human history, have been rationalists: each believes she can, unless opposed by more powerful forces, control her individual destinies; each believes he can think and then act. A minority of humans, now and throughout history, have been empiricists: each believes that, in each activity, she does the activity without having a say, and then after the activity is over thinks about the activity; acts and then thinks. Empiricists believe that God runs the universe and determines how their activities turn out, and all personal development comes from accurate observation, none comes from active choice.
From the empirical perspective, humans have free will, but only to accurately observe all that they are exposed to or to invent preferred fantasies and focus on them, never to take a specific action. From that perspective, God regularly causes people to act in a certain manner, which is out of character for that person's typical personality. All such situations are designed to benefit everyone involved. No such situation is designed to limit one of the participants.
In addition, the benefit to me was not that I landed a pleasant job. But that that job lead to a multitude of life changing situations.
Plenty of transitional forms have been found prior to the past hour: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc ... ermediatesUnless science has release new information in the past hour or so, it needs to be noticed that not once has a single human being ever found a transition between one species and another. I find it absurd, that people believe in a theory for which there is not a single collaborating piece of evidence.
Any debate over these finds should be addressed in the appropriate thread/s.
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Post #33
I am arguing and know for certain; because of the peace and understanding I've been given, that there is a Creator. Believe me, I was some what convinced with evolution until I started reading about the major problems with this myth and our vain efforts to plug up these "holes" (forgive me for using this word over and over again but it fits) with even more outlandish "grasping at straws" theorys. It's painful to watch all of this. I love God for putting up with us when we choose to ignore Him. I love God for His mercy on us and His love for us which is beyond our comprehension. Even though, we choose to ignore Him, He continues to knock on your door. Check out a book called "The case for Christ" and purchase the movie "The search for the real Mount Sinai" and get back to me. I have more exciting stuff. If you reply, it maybe awhile before I answer.[/quote]fried beef sandwich wrote:So Tom....... you're basically saying you believe in Creationism because believing in God makes you feel better?
Yes I feel great. And I know my place in God's eyes. I know my limitations and they are very limited.By no means whatsoever am I smart enough to figure this all out. After all if God and this creation fit into my mind, that would make God a very puny God would it not? I certainly would not want to pretend to be a God. You and I in every way including intelectually are just a grain of sand compared to Him. I am happily humbled by this fact. It's all in His hands and not mine. Thank God.
I take issue with a couple of things here:Tom wrote:evolution on the other hand is so full of holes, it's basically become an emotion rather than a reality. Even if you choose to believe in evolution, does it give you that peace you were looking for?
#1 - Evolution by natural selection is a pretty airtight theory, but we can debate that later.
It by no means is airtight. We would not have this conversation if it were. It is full of holes that are filled with even more unbelievable theories. It burdens me to see so many people so convinced.
#2 - "emotion rather than a reality." I don't see what you mean by this. Actually, it seems like you are treating evolution as an emotional issue by trying to see if evolution fills this perceived emotional and spiritual need you have. I, on the other hand, treat evolution via natural selection as a question of mechanism and process. Did things come about the way that we say it came about? Emotional or spiritual needs don't come into play at all.
Actually it wasn't an emotional need I have.I, like you ( maybe an assumtion, forgive me) were looking for an answer to why and how all of this came about. God's answer is perfect and I am simply grateful.
#3 - "Even if you choose to believe in evolution, does it give you that peace you were looking for?"
Well no, evolution doesn't give me "that peace [I'm] looking for" ... and you know what? Neither does creationism. If you read what you've written closely you'll find that you haven't made the case that Creationism -- broadly defined as believing that the world was made by a creator God or other deity (there are Hindu and Vedic creationists too) -- gives you the peace you're looking for.
I am sure you have seen the make up of one single solitary cell and it has not been completely mapped yet. I see evidence of design in a cell, leave alone an entire living creature? Therefore I searched for God and I found Him. To me it is simple and I would call it common sense.
You're actually arguing that believing in Jesus gives you the peace you're looking for. And believing in Jesus is not the same as Creationism.
Post #34
ENIGMA wrote:Oh goody a sermon, this should be fun!
They did that during the dark ages. It didn't seem to work out too well for them.Tom wrote:I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, because His words, Gods words are the only words that have ever penetrated my sole in any doctrine of any kind. I believe if we searched for God just 5% of the time we used to research all the other non-God theories including the evolution theory, we would all be Christians.
...and "they" would be wrong.As they say, "there are no atheist in a fox hole".
Atheists make decent soldiers, should the cause be just, but they make crappy suicide bombers.... or more pilots who avoid buildings as it were.
...and you would be wrong.We all cry out for the "Lord" (even if we don't know him) when we are in deep trouble. What is it that we are saying when we do this. I believe we say, I thought I can handle it but I am not god, but you are and I know you are real and you can help me. Meditate on why we cry out to God in impossible situations, it is very enlightening and wonderful.
I do not "cry out to God in trouble", since I acknowledge that there is no such entity to "cry out" to. I only express a message equivalent to "Well that didn't work.", with a sufficient number of added expletives as the situation allows, and broadcast it out so that I and those around me can understand that I am not a particularly sociable person at that particular point in time.
Plus it makes me feel better.
I do not think this is an issue with God, but rather an issue with your shoe manufacturer. Perhaps you should frequent another shoe store.God created us with a hole in our soles,
Wear socks.a missing link that a lot of us choose to ignore or replace with something else which never quite fits. ( I don't blame you, I've been there, this world can turn any man's sole black as coal)
Sweat can wear off whatever thin layer of colored foam-paint that was originally used to paint the inside of your shoe.
Quit projecting please.But we choose to tough it out through our lives trying fervently to fill it until that moment of trouble or that moment of death when we cry out for it to be filled. We then cry out for that God that we know exists and is the only living being that can save us.
So in other words, you have an incredibly loose grip on the English language?Evolution like physical death has become reality in our lives. Physical death without a doubt is real, evolution on the other hand is so full of holes, it's basically become an emotion rather than a reality.
Evolution is based on the current data that we have collected about biological organisms. Find another explanation that better fits the empirical evidence and submit it for peer-review. If it is solid, then you can expect a Nobel prize in the near future.
What do I get then if I disprove your religion?
...just as you believe in gravity.Even if you choose to believe in evolution,
Does your toaster give you the internet that you were looking for?does it give you that peace you were looking for?
But with the means to eventually find a clue...Do you feel like celebrating. Great let's celebrate the following. We are all alone in this universe without a clue.
Or Santa Claus, for that matter.Because it somehow started without any motivation by anyone including God.
No, actually by numbers and the number of generations that have passed, bacteria are the most evolved species on the planet.Therefore, since we are the highest "evolved" creatures we know of, we must then take the responsibility of a god.
We just build stuff.
As opposed to waiting for some nonexistent entity to suddenly appear and tell us what to do.We are our own gods but don't have godly power. We have to make out own decisions. This should really scare us all, in fact the reason why the world is the way it is now is because through our enormous pride we have elected ourselves as gods.
No, ignorance is the worst killer of mankind, unjustified pride being a consequence of said ignorance.Pride is the worst killer of mankind, it destroys everything it touches.
No, it would be worse.Do you think if every living man on Earth humbled himself to the Lord, the world would be such as it is?
At least in this world we don't stone disobedient children.
The same, human beings are creative enough to find new absurd reasons to kill each other.And let's take this one step back. Do you think that if there was no notion of a God at all, the world would be a better world or worse?
We can build stuff to bend portions of it to our will.There is a distinct difference between humans and the rest of the creatures on this Earth. We have the ability to go against nature.
We build stuff.This is new and like no other creature ever known.
If we didn't, then we would be extinct, since we are effectively outclassed in our ability to do other things by other animals.
Nope, the brain is quite physical and fleshy.This is a gigantic step in "evolutionary history" We have a will. To have a will is to have more than just a sole and body. There must be something in us that allows for this will, other then flesh, water, and bones.
There are, no doubt, many things which you have not seen.We have the will to commit suicide (I have never seen a chimp jump from a tall tree).
Yes, I would agree that humanity does have a knack for self-delusion.We have the will to have compassion towards other animals. We have the ability to know that there is a Creator.
...and the less religiously inclined have the ability to do something useful.We have the ability to pray rather than take revenge.
You don't understand what "evolutionary" means, do you?We have the ability to give our last bit of food, rather than keep it for ourselves. In the evolutionary theory, we are doomed. The most evolved creature on earth is acting counter-evolutionary. At the same time, we are fighting with all our will to become just like the animals. We are trying our best to become evolutionary.
Hardly.My argument though brief
You honestly haven't a clue what you are speaking about, do you?says that it is impossible for us to fit the evolution theory. We just can't be part of it.
Or your haven't a bloody clue what you are talking about and have extracted the last couple of paragraphs from a convenient orifice.We are either a big evolutionary goof-up whom are doomed to extinction and then once again there will be a peaceful balance on earth with creatures without a spirit, or there is God whom created us in Their own image and therefore the rest of the Bible is perfectly true.
Someone's been strolling through creationist sites again haven't they...Which is more real to you? Let's just say that evolution was backed up without holes in it. Well, the problem then is that the chance of life coming from nothing to this point on earth (even if this was possible) is less than the chance of a tornado ripping through a dump and building an F-15 fighter plane. On top of this, evolution is so full of holes, "you've got to be kidding" is what comes to my mind and I know that deep inside that spirit of yours, you feel the same way.
'Tis a shame that being willfully ignorant is legal.
The rest of the post is junk and if any good Christian feels a bit insulted by the post above, then they have an understanding of my reaction to reading Tom's post.
Good day.
By no means would you ever insult a God loving person such as myself. But you have boldly denied God. It's been done millions of times before, but thanks to Gods infinite grace, mercy, and love, He will keep knocking on your door. It pains me to see so much anger and bitterness... Please for your sake if not mine, pick up a book called "The case for Christ" and read. I have a variety of other documents I can send you to hopefully change your mind. I promise you this much if you give your life to Christ, your life will change for the better like you could not imagine.
Post #35
Enigma, please don't bother responding to this serenely sanctimonious post.
That's quite enough, Tom. You probably felt bound to reply to his post, being that it so directly reproached you, so I am letting you off without a warning. But let's not continue this off-topic discussion on the evidence for Christ, Christianity and the bible. The thread asks the reasons for believing in creation/evolution.By no means would you ever insult a God loving person such as myself. But you have boldly denied God. It's been done millions of times before, but thanks to Gods infinite grace, mercy, and love, He will keep knocking on your door. It pains me to see so much anger and bitterness... Please for your sake if not mine, pick up a book called "The case for Christ" and read. I have a variety of other documents I can send you to hopefully change your mind. I promise you this much if you give your life to Christ, your life will change for the better like you could not imagine.
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Post #36
Actually, I am tempted to close this thread. The question is so open that it's destined (almost predestined) to stray. Even if we just concentrate on one area as common descent, it'll be a huge thread.
I'll give the thread a little bit more of a chance, if it strays at all, I'll be closing this.
I'll give the thread a little bit more of a chance, if it strays at all, I'll be closing this.
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Corvus wrote:Enigma, please don't bother responding to this serenely sanctimonious post.
That's quite enough, Tom. You probably felt bound to reply to his post, being that it so directly reproached you, so I am letting you off without a warning. But let's not continue this off-topic discussion on the evidence for Christ, Christianity and the bible. The thread asks the reasons for believing in creation/evolution.By no means would you ever insult a God loving person such as myself. But you have boldly denied God. It's been done millions of times before, but thanks to Gods infinite grace, mercy, and love, He will keep knocking on your door. It pains me to see so much anger and bitterness... Please for your sake if not mine, pick up a book called "The case for Christ" and read. I have a variety of other documents I can send you to hopefully change your mind. I promise you this much if you give your life to Christ, your life will change for the better like you could not imagine.
I actually replied to another also and I wasn't aware I wasn't supposed to. Thank you.
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Post #38
I began in my origins journey with a faith in God and a disbelief in evolution. Then, I wrestled with evolutionary ideas and concepts. This was of course what I was taught in school, what my friends believed, and what was the accepted theory. I was presented with much more "evidence" for evolution than I was design. Intelligent design, according to the scientists I read, was only put forth by those with an a priori belief system. As often as it may be the case, I learned that the same could be said for evolutionists. That some, if not many, begin with a naturalistic frame work, and join arguments to that position, which ultimately results in a difficult assessment of the other position.
We all have to begin our search with a position, as we do in any race or journey. This is precisely why we need to refrain from ad hominem attacks.
I never quite shook my belief in God, nor that the universe was created, but it wasn't because my faith was strong that I still believed the creation account, as my faith was quite challenged for many years. I simply wasn't satisfied that the evolutionist arguments were better than that of the creationist. After much searching, I've become less and less convinced that the mechanisms of evolution put forth to date are capable of creating the complexity of life - and even non life - that we see all around us.
I think an important question to ask each other is:
When comparing creationism with evolutionism, have you looked at as many challenges to your position as possible and found enough answers to support your continued belief in that system? Do you continue to evaluate challenges to your belief? (Not just reading rebuttals by those on your side, but even reading the statements made on the other side) That has been one of the more fascinating experiences of my life. I don't think I would be happy to simply believe something only because I was schooled in it.
My view of creation is that I have evaluated as many counter-claims as I can (I continue when presented with new ones) and have been satisfied over and again that there are logical, not just religious answers which confirm for me the creation account.
We all have to begin our search with a position, as we do in any race or journey. This is precisely why we need to refrain from ad hominem attacks.
I never quite shook my belief in God, nor that the universe was created, but it wasn't because my faith was strong that I still believed the creation account, as my faith was quite challenged for many years. I simply wasn't satisfied that the evolutionist arguments were better than that of the creationist. After much searching, I've become less and less convinced that the mechanisms of evolution put forth to date are capable of creating the complexity of life - and even non life - that we see all around us.
I think an important question to ask each other is:
When comparing creationism with evolutionism, have you looked at as many challenges to your position as possible and found enough answers to support your continued belief in that system? Do you continue to evaluate challenges to your belief? (Not just reading rebuttals by those on your side, but even reading the statements made on the other side) That has been one of the more fascinating experiences of my life. I don't think I would be happy to simply believe something only because I was schooled in it.
My view of creation is that I have evaluated as many counter-claims as I can (I continue when presented with new ones) and have been satisfied over and again that there are logical, not just religious answers which confirm for me the creation account.
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and these logical answers are to what questions specificallynikolayevich wrote: My view of creation is that I have evaluated as many counter-claims as I can
(I continue when presented with new ones) and have been satisfied over and again that there are logical, not just religious answers which confirm for me the creation account.
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One example is the question of genetic information, as contained in DNA structures. Of every new "species" named by scientists, especially observed new species (one basic determiner being their inability to mate with the original species), I have never read nor seen an example of where there was an increase in new genetic information (new ordered information).
Beyond this, it is not just necessary for one or two examples to arise, but myriad billions of examples... there is not enough time, even by standards of big bang cosmology for one or two to be observed in the many years we've been observing speciation to consider the process sealed. Evolution requires a continual process of INCREASING information, not decreasing information as we observe continually.
One way to term it is vertical vs. horizontal evolution. These terms seem more descriptive than macro/micro, as it relates to information. Horizontal movement, is really something all scientists observe. Information is really just shuffled or lost. Vertical movement- increasing information is not observed, only speculated. This would be an increase- new info. That makes things difficult. (To clarify... human grows wing = new information... fruit fly grows fruit fly leg out of head = shuffled info, not new). Sorry Dr. Suzuki...
Richard Dawkins, evolutionist extraordinaire, a nobleman if you will among scientists, was asked in an interview by AiG Media, if he could cite any example of where there has been an observed increase in information in a genome, and the result was some 10 seconds of silence before he asked the cameras to be shut off. It wasn't a misunderstanding, as he speaks of genetic information regularly... he simply had no example. When the cameras rolled again, he provided no such example.
Is this not strange? That the champions of the theory we're taught in the grade-schools and universities cannot answer such a basic question- a necessity of the theory? To be sure, these, Dawkins included, are brilliant minds.
That is one challenge I have with the theory... It worsens when realizing this is the beginning of challenges I find.
Beyond this, it is not just necessary for one or two examples to arise, but myriad billions of examples... there is not enough time, even by standards of big bang cosmology for one or two to be observed in the many years we've been observing speciation to consider the process sealed. Evolution requires a continual process of INCREASING information, not decreasing information as we observe continually.
One way to term it is vertical vs. horizontal evolution. These terms seem more descriptive than macro/micro, as it relates to information. Horizontal movement, is really something all scientists observe. Information is really just shuffled or lost. Vertical movement- increasing information is not observed, only speculated. This would be an increase- new info. That makes things difficult. (To clarify... human grows wing = new information... fruit fly grows fruit fly leg out of head = shuffled info, not new). Sorry Dr. Suzuki...
Richard Dawkins, evolutionist extraordinaire, a nobleman if you will among scientists, was asked in an interview by AiG Media, if he could cite any example of where there has been an observed increase in information in a genome, and the result was some 10 seconds of silence before he asked the cameras to be shut off. It wasn't a misunderstanding, as he speaks of genetic information regularly... he simply had no example. When the cameras rolled again, he provided no such example.
Is this not strange? That the champions of the theory we're taught in the grade-schools and universities cannot answer such a basic question- a necessity of the theory? To be sure, these, Dawkins included, are brilliant minds.
That is one challenge I have with the theory... It worsens when realizing this is the beginning of challenges I find.