Evolution

[Ronin]

Where are the fossil records of the animals that we see today? If all living things evolved to something different then how they started, where are their fossils? In museums today there are billions of dinasour bones that we have collected, yet there is not one transitional fossil. For example if we all evovled what did a lion look like before it became what it is today? There should be examples of all the animals that are alive today. And there should be several examples for every animal. Darwin himself admitted if we can't find transitional fossils,for they should be everywhere, then evolution is wrong!
So where are the fossils?

[jcrawford]

Any contradiction you observe is created by your own claim that "fossils are the result of an instantaneous burial due to a global flood," is a faith based claim, when in reality it is the the claim of many scientists who study where and how the fossils are buried.

This comment seems to be suffering from delusional redefinition of words. There are no scientists who make this claim. There are only creationist confounders who claim to be scientists making this claim. They might like to call themselves scientists, but any resemblance to scientists is only in the confused cognitive cogitations of their own creationist cro-magnon craniums.

With such avowed and expressed prejudices and bias against Christian scientists, your qualification of what constitutes true science seems a little skewed and unbalanced at the outset.

[jcrawford]

Darwin had nothing to gain by endorsing a theory which would eventually deprive his aristocratic family of their lawful property rights and inheritence. Darwin may have been a pathetic humanist but he was no fool.

Darwin was not an aristocrat, his father was a doctor, so yes he was well off but by no means a noble. Come up with a new excuse please.

Darwin married into wealth with his cousin whose family owned Wedgewood China.

http://www.eugenicsarchive.org/html/eug ... /1061.html

I don't think you understand, god is not falsifiable and thus christianity or any other religion for that matter is not science.

Then deluded scientists like Dawkins have nothing valid to say about Christianity and have no scientific authority over any religion which claims to be scientific.

Does this mean you think christians are a separate species from the rest of humanity?

No, it means that Christians think there has always been one human species on earth and that all Darwinsts are as racially deluded about the origins of mankind as Richard Dawkins is.

[jcrawford]

First, let me apologize for the manner of my last message, jcrawford. I was in a really bad mood (hooray for relationship problems), and I was out of line.

No perception of bad manners on your part on my end. (hooray for relationship problems)

However, I have to disagree with you when you say that psychological problems are purely cognitive in origin.

It was never my intent to construe them as such, but to distinguish between the emotional conditions resulting from relationship problems and strictly medical conditions.

For example, Christians who have not been medically diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia or bi-polar disorder, but may be experiencing depression, anxiety, mood-swings, or other emotional and mental states as a result of personal difficulties within relationships, should go to a Christian counselor or therapist rather than an atheistic or secular one.

You cannot realistically expect a process that took millions (or billions) of years to occur to happen within your lifetime. Evolution is not instantaneous.

I don't believe in evolution any more than reincarnation.

Honestly, that eliminates almost every serious mental disorder.

What about psychological disorders in the thinking of psychologists and psychiatrists?

However, empirically tested methods have been proven to be more effective than humanistic or psychoanalytic techniques for numerous issues -- for example, the use of cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) for the treatment of phobias, anorexia nervosa, suicidal behavior, and numerous other issues

Christian cognitive-behavioral therapy (CCBT) would separate the "issues" into medical conditions and social or personal issues.

Finally, I would like to point out the evolutionary/social psychologist's explanation of emotion is fairly simple. Emotions work very similarly to heuristics -- they are shortcuts that allow us to react to stimuli without much thought because thought is effortful. However, problems arise if the reactions are in fact not a viable response to the stimuli (the heuristic essentially bungles up the problem). CBT helps someone examine those emotions rationally and practice techniques that avoid running into these aberrant emotions again.

That is of no interest to a troubled Christian who just needs a little spiritual counseling and guidance by the Holy Spirit in working out their day to day living and career problems.

[Wyvern]

Darwin had nothing to gain by endorsing a theory which would eventually deprive his aristocratic family of their lawful property rights and inheritence. Darwin may have been a pathetic humanist but he was no fool.

Darwin was not an aristocrat, his father was a doctor, so yes he was well off but by no means a noble. Come up with a new excuse please.

Darwin married into wealth with his cousin whose family owned Wedgewood China.

Yes he was quite well off, that does not make him an aristocrat any more than Bill Gates being rich makes him one.

I don't think you understand, god is not falsifiable and thus christianity or any other religion for that matter is not science.

Then deluded scientists like Dawkins have nothing valid to say about Christianity and have no scientific authority over any religion which claims to be scientific.

Except for the fact that many christians such as yourself for some reason demand that your religion be considered a science which means that it has to adhere to the rules of science to be valid as such.

Does this mean you think christians are a separate species from the rest of humanity?

No, it means that Christians think there has always been one human species on earth and that all Darwinsts are as racially deluded about the origins of mankind as Richard Dawkins is.

Actually in an earlier book, "The Descent of Man", Darwin noted counter to the thinking of the day that the differences between the purported races of humans was superficial at best. What you are talking about is how the simple concepts from the origin of species has been warped in order to spuriously give those with an agenda a justification for their pogroms. The same kind of warping that is going on to this day by those who are opposed to this theory.

[Cathar1950]

What about psychological disorders in the thinking of psychologists and psychiatrists?

What about them? I see not indication that Christians are any more or less prone to the same difficulties.

Christian cognitive-behavioral therapy (CCBT) would separate the "issues" into medical conditions and social or personal issues.

So would every other half competent professional.

[Goat]

Any contradiction you observe is created by your own claim that "fossils are the result of an instantaneous burial due to a global flood," is a faith based claim, when in reality it is the the claim of many scientists who study where and how the fossils are buried.

This comment seems to be suffering from delusional redefinition of words. There are no scientists who make this claim. There are only creationist confounders who claim to be scientists making this claim. They might like to call themselves scientists, but any resemblance to scientists is only in the confused cognitive cogitations of their own creationist cro-magnon craniums.

With such avowed and expressed prejudices and bias against Christian scientists, your qualification of what constitutes true science seems a little skewed and unbalanced at the outset.

The proof of the pudding is in the tasting.

Frankly, there is a prejudice against 'Christian Scientists" because the ones that emphaise 'Christian' do no follow the 'scientific method'. There are many fine scientists who are Christian, but science is non-theist itself. Science does not concern itself to if there is a god or not, any more than plumbing concerns itself if there is a god or not.

Many of those emphasing the "Christian" over the "scientist" are deluding themselves. Personally, I think those who do that which go into counseling people do more damage than they do good. They are not 'cognative scientists', they are not spiritual councilers.. they are a blend that that the worse part of both, and do no good what so ever.

[jcrawford]

Then deluded scientists like Dawkins have nothing valid to say about Christianity and have no scientific authority over any religion which claims to be scientific.

Except for the fact that many christians such as yourself for some reason demand that your religion be considered a science which means that it has to adhere to the rules of science to be valid as such.

Who makes the so-called "rules" of science, Christians, atheists, secularists, humanists, Jews, Muslims or Hindus, and by what theory or system of knowledge do you propose to validate anything?

Since science simply means knowledge, any system of attaining knowledge is as valid as any other system, and a scientific system which limits itself to some arbitrary and presupposed definition of science, is certainly no more scientific than any other scientific system or methodology.

Face up to the scientific facts, my scientific friend. The days of the dictatorship of your scientific method of attaining knowledge are long over.

Actually in an earlier book, "The Descent of Man", Darwin noted counter to the thinking of the day that the differences between the purported races of humans was superficial at best.

Yet he based his theories of man's descent from sub-human African apes on his observations of what he described in Descent as the "savage" state of the Feugians he encountered on his voyage around S.A.

As specifically documented in Descent of Man, Darwin theorized about human evolution from sub-human African "progenitors" strictly on the basis of racial observations since other "species" of humans had yet to be invented by imaginative "scientists" during Darwin's day.

The whole history of the evolution of Darwin's Delusion is tainted with racial and racist theories inherent in his theories, and the modern neo-Darwinist theory of human evolution out of Africa is just another form of racism in sheep's clothing.

[jcrawford]

What about psychological disorders in the thinking of psychologists and psychiatrists?

What about them? I see not indication that Christians are any more or less prone to the same difficulties.

The only "psychological" problem Christians have is with atheistic and secular psychologists who insist on imposing their own psychological problems on every one else.

Christians have spiritual problems with their souls, and don't suffer from the sick psychological problems which only atheistic and secular psychological types are prone to imagine in their depraved and sinful mental states.

[EnigmaAtlas]

you know whats an interesting place? The royal tyrell museum in Drumheller Alberta Canada. i believe its the largest fossil exhibit ( i could be mistake)...if you cant see the evoution of many many species there, you need to get your eyes checked

[EnigmaAtlas]

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