The Fall of Adam

[harvey1]

"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned– for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come." (Romans 5:12-14)

Assuming the age of the earth is older than 10,000 years, please tell me the meaning of this scripture since it says that 'death' came into the world by sin. How can death come by sin if dying of animal life and other hominids came prior to when Adam would have lived (i.e., as a conscious intelligent modern human).

[harvey1]

Sure. The Logos (pre-existence of the person Jesus) had manifested himself to Abraham as Melchizedek (high priest), then as a burning bush to Moses, then as a small wind to Elijah, then as a lowly Nazareth carpenter. Each stage is a 'step down' in the sense that the Logos takes on more and more mundane attributes.

KOOL!!!, So mans next step in human evolutionism will be to evolve into a small wind like creature...then into a burning bush!!!

No, the next step is a spiritual body which is capable of manifesting itself as a small wind or as a burning bush. In other words, Adam (the adamah) will continue its evolution upward.

[YEC]

Well folks, it certainly isn't christianity were talking about here.

[harvey1]

Well folks, it certainly isn't christianity were talking about here.

I thought you were a Christian? I'm sorry, what is your religion??

All along I assumed you were a Christian, that's why I was talking about I Cor. 15. Do you practice Judaism?

[YEC]

The resurrection does not equate to evolution in any means...except if you mean that the term evolution means change.

Automobiles evolve...but not like the evos have claimed animals have evolved.

Christians will be changed in a twinkling of an eye...but keep in mind they will not go through a mutational genetic process that you claimed brought about man. This is where your concept fall apart. Your correlations are weak at best and not biblically supported.
In fact if extrapolated to the fullest..you would have man evolving to a devine nature.

The bible is quite clear that man (Adam) was created on day six from the dust then Eve, Adams wife was made from Adam rib. As I pointed out to you many times before, this is not evolution. This is God putting Adam to sleep, then removing his rib and creating a women. This is what the bible teaches in clear black and white text. Ask Billy Graham.

The bible speaks of no other people prior to Adam. None, notta zilch. Now if I'm incorrect then perhaps you can provide a chapter and verse that points out my error.

With all due respect harvey, the bible warns us those who will come and spread false doctrine. I believe you are one of those whom we are warned about. Perhaps those words will seem harsh to you or the moderators...but you have not really provided much support for your concepts. Scripture has shown you to be in error but you refuse to listen to the Word of God.

One of the things that tip us off...when asked to provide the name of a denomination that supports your ideas...you refuse as if you would be embarassed. Once again, will you name a denomination that preaches what you are saying? help me out harvey

[harvey1]

The resurrection does not equate to evolution in any means...except if you mean that the term evolution means change. Automobiles evolve...but not like the evos have claimed animals have evolved. Christians will be changed in a twinkling of an eye...but keep in mind they will not go through a mutational genetic process that you claimed brought about man. This is where your concept fall apart. Your correlations are weak at best and not biblically supported.
In fact if extrapolated to the fullest..you would have man evolving to a devine nature. The bible is quite clear that man (Adam) was created on day six from the dust then Eve, Adams wife was made from Adam rib. As I pointed out to you many times before, this is not evolution. This is God putting Adam to sleep, then removing his rib and creating a women. This is what the bible teaches in clear black and white text. Ask Billy Graham. The bible speaks of no other people prior to Adam. None, notta zilch. Now if I'm incorrect then perhaps you can provide a chapter and verse that points out my error. With all due respect harvey, the bible warns us those who will come and spread false doctrine. I believe you are one of those whom we are warned about. Perhaps those words will seem harsh to you or the moderators...but you have not really provided much support for your concepts. Scripture has shown you to be in error but you refuse to listen to the Word of God. One of the things that tip us off...when asked to provide the name of a denomination that supports your ideas...you refuse as if you would be embarassed. Once again, will you name a denomination that preaches what you are saying? help me out harvey

I'm not sure what you mean by "a denomination that preaches what you are saying?". The denomination that I belong to doesn't stipulate group-think as part of its membership criteria. And, I don't think it is a relevant issue since you'll only go to some website to cite some 200 year old doctrine of the church to club me with it.

Okay, anyway, I see our time together has come to an end. You've obviously gotten to the point to where you accuse someone of being of the devil and there's no profit having any nice discussions. Such talk is the basis of religious wars and even Jesus' death was the victim of such kind of mentality. So, you just go on believing what you believe. I don't see why you are here though if your arguments boil down to accusations and hateful bitterness of this kind.

[YEC]

Interesting...still no mention of a denomination.

Ever wonder why??????

[harvey1]

Interesting...still no mention of a denomination. Ever wonder why??????

I'm a Methodist. Now, aren't you supposed to be crucifying someone at 3 PM on the West Coast?

[old ag]

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[YEC]

Interesting...still no mention of a denomination. Ever wonder why??????

I'm a Methodist. Now, aren't you supposed to be crucifying someone at 3 PM on the West Coast?

Thanks. I was just curious because what you are saying doesn't exactly fit in with the Methodist doctrine.

Is there a web site that I can visit to read more about your un-orthodox beliefs?

I try to keep up on the latest but you seem so cryptic most of the time.

[harvey1]

Interesting...still no mention of a denomination. Ever wonder why??????

I'm a Methodist. Now, aren't you supposed to be crucifying someone at 3 PM on the West Coast?

Thanks. I was just curious because what you are saying doesn't exactly fit in with the Methodist doctrine. Is there a web site that I can visit to read more about your un-orthodox beliefs? I try to keep up on the latest but you seem so cryptic most of the time.

I don't think there is one website per se. What I believe is 'here and there' throughout the writings of a number of Christian writers. I don't get approval from any church board though. But, alas, I try to come up with my own ideas but unfortunately it seems I'm always a bit too late.