Why do you believe in Creationism or Evolution?

[emmy27sf]

so why do u believe in evolution or creationism???

[Jose]

P.S. Jose - Please give me a break. I have other things to do outside of posting on this forum... so I pick and choose topics. It would be GREAT if somebody else were helping me post! But... nobody is, right now. Maybe I'll ask somebody to... or maybe you could ask somebody to. Until then... I have to choose which posts to respond to in order. I'll get to it. But I also try to be well researched before posting... and I never claimed to be a biologist or archaologist.

Thanks for the note. I'll check from time to time, and see what happens. I imagine the same applies to Enigma...

Simple reminder of a post that has gone unanswered since the core-dump from the Santa thread to this one....

C) Refuting potwalloper

You are not stating facts you are stating beliefs.

Fact - an element's physical state varies according to temperature
Assertion - the bible is not a work of fiction

This "assertion" is as much of an assertion as the laws of gravity are asserted and that macro evolution is a "fact" is asserted

It seems to me that you are asserting pretty strongly yourself, here. That is, you are stating your belief that macroevolution is not factual, but merely assertional. Therefore, I wonder if you could provide some actual evidence for this view. Fortunately, there is a common descent thread for you to post it in (since creationists tend to use the word "macroevolution" to refer to common descent, this is what the thread is named, to avoid confusion with the way evolutionists use "macroevolution"). Certainly, continue with this discussion of why you believe what you do here, but keep in the back of your mind that there are some unanswered questions for you. [In my mind, they are more important questions, since we can debate forever the unanswerable questions of whether God exists, or whether the bible is truth or metaphor.]

[chrispalasz]

Jose:

I forgot about Enigma's post. Would you please remind me what page it is on or what the question was so I can address it (If it has not already been addressed)? Thanks, I'd appreciate it.

Also, your response is now at the top of my list. I'll get back to you soon. I'll admit that it will be tough to formulate, since I know you have high expectations.

[Jose]

GreenLight311: Enigma's post was just a couple posts back, from Thursday the 18th. Take your time; I'm patient, and you're pretty busy with all of the discussions you're in. I have enough chocolate to keep me going until you reply.

[diciple_of_light]

so why do u believe in evolution or creationism???

I believe in large scale evolution as a key part in the creation of earth. I don't know why other christians can't accept it, you can see it going on all the time. I know that one of the big reasons they can't believe in evolution is because, God created everything. I'm not arguing that but just take a look, the earth has been around for a very long time. And who says God didn't use evolution as the way to create earth. The only thing I don't believe about most evolution theorys is that everything on earth evolved from one single cell. I'm pretty sure that that would take far more than the speculated age of the earth.

[diciple_of_light]

...like the cell theory for example
The Cell Theory states that all cells are made from existing cells and that all living creatures are made from cells
hence forth i ask the question where did the first cell come from?
and humans are so advanced they are so complex how did they come from one cell that was simple? and if there is evolution why are there still monkeys and why havent humans evolved to an even better species?

Who says that God didn't put the first few cells on the planet and kick start the evolutionary process. Why is it so hard for christians to believe that God wanted to create the world using evolution. And along the same lines if God used the evolution process to create the world then he has control of the end points of the evolutionary cycle.

[justanotherperson]

emmy27sf wrote: so why do u believe in evolution or creationism??? icon_confused2

So I must again diverge from the normal scientific thought and go with Creationism and a little evolution thrown in. I believe this because of the infinitesimally small probability that evolution (starting with the big bang theory or some other spontaneously formation) has caused all this. The mathematical probability that I am even typing this, given evolution is the only cause of all this is literally 0.

Besides, evolution CANNOT create many of the things that are in your own body. Their are irreducible, biological micro machines in many cells that without, any one part, would cease to function and hurt the cell. A mutation cannot cause many of these such machines because mutations occur one at a time. Another reason is found in the pathways within any animal or human; the pathways are just insanely complex and no mutation can cause many of these things given 40 million years, or even a googol of years.

Much less faith is required for a Deity creating than for evolution. Start to study biology. You can go further into things than you ever imagined.

[Nyril]

I believe this because of the infinitesimally small probability that evolution

Although I'm certain you've heard this example a million times, the odds of shuffling a deck of cards and yielding a set are 8.065817517 times 10^67 to one against. Regardless, according to what? How did you figure it must be improbable? What equations did you use? Really, I'm honestly curious, because everytime I've seen thus argument thus far the equations I saw were pretty much the equivalent of picking numbers from the air that sounded rather large.

Besides, evolution CANNOT create many of the things that are in your own body.

Such as?

Their are irreducible, biological micro machines in many cells that without, any one part, would cease to function and hurt the cell.

Such as?

Another reason is found in the pathways within any animal or human; the pathways are just insanely complex and no mutation can cause many of these things given 40 million years, or even a googol of years.

Why not? In the locust, the nerves on the little insect spine go through the length of the body before doubling back on themselves to go outside the frame to the wings. Anything designed would of been far easier to simply go through the back of the insect and use half the nerve tissue, however if the insect came first without the ability to fly, it makes sense.

Much less faith is required for a Deity creating than for evolution.

Isn't faith a good thing? I thought you would commend a Christian or anyone of another faith for having a good deal of it?

[diciple_of_light]

emmy27sf wrote: so why do u believe in evolution or creationism??? icon_confused2

So I must again diverge from the normal scientific thought and go with Creationism and a little evolution thrown in. I believe this because of the infinitesimally small probability that evolution (starting with the big bang theory or some other spontaneously formation) has caused all this. The mathematical probability that I am even typing this, given evolution is the only cause of all this is literally 0.

Where does it say that God has to create the earth a certain way. How can you prove that he didn't use evolution as the means to create the world and everything in it.

emmy27sf wrote:
Besides, evolution CANNOT create many of the things that are in your own body. Their are irreducible, biological micro machines in many cells that without, any one part, would cease to function and hurt the cell. A mutation cannot cause many of these such machines because mutations occur one at a time. Another reason is found in the pathways within any animal or human; the pathways are just insanely complex and no mutation can cause many of these things given 40 million years, or even a googol of years.

Much less faith is required for a Deity creating than for evolution. Start to study biology. You can go further into things than you ever imagined.

What says that we couldn't have evolved the way we did. And who says we were just left alone to evolve independently. God could very well have put the neccissary information into any cells in the body to allow it to change into the unique parts of the body.

[diciple_of_light]

To: JustAnotherPerson

If you have a question or concern that wish for me to address would you please state it clearly.

[Dilettante]

Nyril:

Isn't faith a good thing? I thought you would commend a Christian or anyone of another faith for having a good deal of it?

Good point, Nyril. I know what you mean. But I doubt that anyone could agree that unqualified faith is a good thing. Obviously faith in a false belief system is actually a catastrophic thing. Faith in a dangerous or harmful creed is necessarily worse than no faith at all. I don't think anyone could disagree with that. Are Al-Quaida memebers to be commanded for their undisputably solid faith? I doubt it. Faith in itself is not necessarily a good thing. And faith without reason is fanaticism.