Can science really disprove somethings existence?

[achilles12604]

Usually the argument goes something like this . . .

Theist: God exists.

Science: How do you know?

Theist: 1) origin of the universe, biblical history, personal experience, origin of life, etc

Science: And how do you know that the universe didn't just pop into being without God. Your personal experience doesn't count as evidence, and history can be wrong.

Theist: Well what makes you think God doesn't exist.

science: I am totally unable to detect any sign of him at all and science is the best method we have for detecting and studying things in the universe.

You don't need to answer. My point is very simply that bible thumpers and science thumpers sometimes have similar issues regarding their claims of total knowledge. Neither can truly get the whole picture alone.

But what picture is this? Lets say there is more to this world than science knows. How do we know this? What methodology do we deploy? And the point I’ve been banging on about over several threads the last few days is the only correct method for addressing reality is naturalism because only naturalism can meet the full set of criteria: prediction, verification, falsification and assigns a clear definition to all the signs it deploys in its answers. Any explanation that fails to meet this benchmark is intellectually vacuous. Regardless of the depth of conviction of any given non naturalistic belief.

However I detect that this point is not lost on you achilles because you make great attempts to rationalise your belief system, and I know you think that what is supernatural is only what science does not yet understand. That is easy for a full blown naturalist to admit. What we cannot admit is that the theist can fill in the gaps.

I guess this is where some degree of theistic faith comes in. Hey that gives me a thought. Is faith provable by science? For example, would science be able to determine someone's beliefs? If science is unable to determine someone's beliefs and faith, does that mean that the person's faith does not exist?

My questions for discussion.

Is science able to determine someone's beliefs without being told? Another possible question to clarify this point is can science prove that someone who is now dead, had beliefs while alive?

If silence is maintained and a person's beliefs can not be determined, does this mean the beliefs do not exist?

[Qbert]

There are some scientist who have used the quran as a source and after finding what the quran has said to be true turned and accepted Islam. Also the quran addresses many things which science refuses to entertain or address.

The same can be said, even moreso, about the christian bible or the jewish torah. Does that make them correct over your book? How many scientist have "converted"? Were they of muslim upbringing to begin with? You seem to make claims without backing yourself up.

This is your evidence!
http://www.youtubeislam.com/view_video. ... 4cff571fbb

I did ask "how many". Finding a very select few is nowhere near evidence that your book is the correct book.

[muhammad rasullah]

This is your evidence!
http://www.youtubeislam.com/view_video. ... 4cff571fbb

This is the problem with religions that are in the habit of MURDERING people who disagree with them. You end up with believers with an inablitity to debate. I'm not sure how they do thinks in West Durkastan, Ackbar, but here we make arguments in our own words and then offer links to support our arguments. We also shy away from horrifically biased sources.

What are you talking about this is support for my arguement that scientist after reading the quran have accepted Islam when seeing that it was true. Just because the video was produced by someone who is muslim does not take from the credibility of the scientist accepting Islam. Apparently you haven't read any of my post so go and check back before you jump in and make false claims. How is this source biased? what arguement do you have ? Bring your proof!!

[muhammad rasullah]

There are some scientist who have used the quran as a source and after finding what the quran has said to be true turned and accepted Islam. Also the quran addresses many things which science refuses to entertain or address.

The same can be said, even moreso, about the christian bible or the jewish torah. Does that make them correct over your book? How many scientist have "converted"? Were they of muslim upbringing to begin with? You seem to make claims without backing yourself up.

This is your evidence!
http://www.youtubeislam.com/view_video. ... 4cff571fbb

I did ask "how many". Finding a very select few is nowhere near evidence that your book is the correct book.

If you are asking me to give the world population of scientist who accepted Islam then no I can't give you that so I gave you those I can find and one should be enough.

[Qbert]

There are some scientist who have used the quran as a source and after finding what the quran has said to be true turned and accepted Islam. Also the quran addresses many things which science refuses to entertain or address.

The same can be said, even moreso, about the christian bible or the jewish torah. Does that make them correct over your book? How many scientist have "converted"? Were they of muslim upbringing to begin with? You seem to make claims without backing yourself up.

This is your evidence!
http://www.youtubeislam.com/view_video. ... 4cff571fbb

I did ask "how many". Finding a very select few is nowhere near evidence that your book is the correct book.

If you are asking me to give the world population of scientist who accepted Islam then no I can't give you that so I gave you those I can find and one should be enough.

One is enough? What about the many others that believe in other religions based on their findings?

[McCulloch]

There are some scientist[s] who have used the quran as a source and after finding what the quran has said to be true turned and accepted Islam.

Really? Name a few.

Please name a few. I'm not going to look at online videos.

Just list a few. Name, Field of Study, University or Institute.

For example, if I were to claim that there are some atheist scientists, and you were to challenge me to name some, I could list:

• Dawkins, Richard, Charles Simonyi Professor of the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University, Fellow of the Royal Society
• Miller, Geoffrey, Ph.D., Stanford University, Evolutionary Psychology
• PZ Myers, PhD in Biology from the University of Oregon, currently an associate professor of biology at the University of Minnesota's Morris, Minnesota, campus
• James Anderson Thomson, Jr., Clinical Faculty, University of Virginia School, Adult General Psychiatry and Forensic Psychiatry
• Nicholas Hamilton Barton FRS FRSE, PhD University of East Anglia, evolutionary biology.

and many more.

Your turn. Just a few. Those who were scientists first, and then accepted Islam. So that we can trust the truth of what you say.

[muhammad rasullah]

There are some scientist[s] who have used the quran as a source and after finding what the quran has said to be true turned and accepted Islam.

Really? Name a few.

Please name a few. I'm not going to look at online videos.

Just list a few. Name, Field of Study, University or Institute.

For example, if I were to claim that there are some atheist scientists, and you were to challenge me to name some, I could list:

• Dawkins, Richard, Charles Simonyi Professor of the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University, Fellow of the Royal Society
• Miller, Geoffrey, Ph.D., Stanford University, Evolutionary Psychology
• PZ Myers, PhD in Biology from the University of Oregon, currently an associate professor of biology at the University of Minnesota's Morris, Minnesota, campus
• James Anderson Thomson, Jr., Clinical Faculty, University of Virginia School, Adult General Psychiatry and Forensic Psychiatry
• Nicholas Hamilton Barton FRS FRSE, PhD University of East Anglia, evolutionary biology.

and many more.

Your turn. Just a few. Those who were scientists first, and then accepted Islam. So that we can trust the truth of what you say.

To name a few,
1. Jacque Iv Cousteau
http://babouchka.net/old.kavkazcenter.c ... /news3.htm
2. Professor of geology Dr. Alfred Kronier
3. Professor Milan from Czech republic
4. Professor Tejatat Tejasen is the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy at Chiang Mai University, Chiang Mai, Thailand.
Previously, he was the Dean of the Faculty of Medicine at the same university. During the Eighth Saudi Medical Conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Professor Tejasen stood up and said:

“During the last three years, I became interested in the Quran . . . . From my study and what I have learned from this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Quran fourteen hundred years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means. Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, Muhammad must be a messenger who relayed this truth, which was revealed to him as an enlightenment by the one who is eligible [as the] creator. This creator must be God.

[Goat]

There are some scientist[s] who have used the quran as a source and after finding what the quran has said to be true turned and accepted Islam.

Really? Name a few.

Please name a few. I'm not going to look at online videos.

Just list a few. Name, Field of Study, University or Institute.

For example, if I were to claim that there are some atheist scientists, and you were to challenge me to name some, I could list:

• Dawkins, Richard, Charles Simonyi Professor of the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University, Fellow of the Royal Society
• Miller, Geoffrey, Ph.D., Stanford University, Evolutionary Psychology
• PZ Myers, PhD in Biology from the University of Oregon, currently an associate professor of biology at the University of Minnesota's Morris, Minnesota, campus
• James Anderson Thomson, Jr., Clinical Faculty, University of Virginia School, Adult General Psychiatry and Forensic Psychiatry
• Nicholas Hamilton Barton FRS FRSE, PhD University of East Anglia, evolutionary biology.

and many more.

Your turn. Just a few. Those who were scientists first, and then accepted Islam. So that we can trust the truth of what you say.

To name a few,
1. Jacque Iv Cousteau
http://babouchka.net/old.kavkazcenter.c ... /news3.htm
2. Professor of geology Dr. Alfred Kronier
3. Professor Milan from Czech republic
4. Professor Tejatat Tejasen is the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy at Chiang Mai University, Chiang Mai, Thailand.
Previously, he was the Dean of the Faculty of Medicine at the same university. During the Eighth Saudi Medical Conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Professor Tejasen stood up and said:

“During the last three years, I became interested in the Quran . . . . From my study and what I have learned from this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Quran fourteen hundred years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means. Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, Muhammad must be a messenger who relayed this truth, which was revealed to him as an enlightenment by the one who is eligible [as the] creator. This creator must be God.

At least one of those claims is a lie. ALthough reported in several Muslim publications that he had become a muslim, he denied that

[McCulloch]

1. Jacque Iv Cousteau
http://babouchka.net/old.kavkazcenter.c ... /news3.htm

Did you mean Jacques Yves Cousteau, the ecologist, filmmaker, scientist, photographer and researcher who studied the sea and all forms of life in water. He co-developed the aqua-lung, pioneered marine conservation and was a member of the Académie française.

You have been lied to. Here is a letter from the Cousteau Foundation about this issue.

Fondation Cousteau

Monsieur Charles TUCKER
11A Chemin de Pennachy
69230 ST GENIS LAVAL


FC/DC
Paris, November 2, 1991

Sir,

We have received your letter and we thank you for your interest in
our activities.

We state precisely to you that Commander Cousteau has not become a
Muslim and that this rumor passes around without foundation.

Very cordially,




Didier CERCEAU
chargé de mission

Would you like to try again?

[byofrcs]

This is your evidence!
http://www.youtubeislam.com/view_video. ... 4cff571fbb

This is the problem with religions that are in the habit of MURDERING people who disagree with them. You end up with believers with an inablitity to debate. I'm not sure how they do thinks in West Durkastan, Ackbar, but here we make arguments in our own words and then offer links to support our arguments. We also shy away from horrifically biased sources.

What are you talking about this is support for my arguement that scientist after reading the quran have accepted Islam when seeing that it was true. Just because the video was produced by someone who is muslim does not take from the credibility of the scientist accepting Islam. Apparently you haven't read any of my post so go and check back before you jump in and make false claims. How is this source biased? what arguement do you have ? Bring your proof!!

muhammad rasullah, you present claims that have the consistency of Emmental. It's full of holes !

Firstly answer my question (You claimed that the Sura that says "river" means "ocean" and then spin a long story about Muhammad never actually seeing an ocean and then retract your claims about Muslim Scientists who are not actually Muslim.

Answer my question first. It should be simple. I expect you to show where it says "ocean" when it says "river" and why you think it means "ocean". If it is shown that it says "river" then I expect you to retract your claims about Muhammad and oceans. The beauty of science is that when it finds things that are wrong it corrects the mistakes. We're not going to chop your hands off, hang you or burn you at the stake; science is NOT religion. We'll just knock a few sizes of your ego; totally metaphysical.

[muhammad rasullah]

1. Jacque Iv Cousteau
http://babouchka.net/old.kavkazcenter.c ... /news3.htm

Did you mean Jacques Yves Cousteau, the ecologist, filmmaker, scientist, photographer and researcher who studied the sea and all forms of life in water. He co-developed the aqua-lung, pioneered marine conservation and was a member of the Académie française.

You have been lied to. Here is a letter from the Cousteau Foundation about this issue.

Fondation Cousteau

Monsieur Charles TUCKER
11A Chemin de Pennachy
69230 ST GENIS LAVAL


FC/DC
Paris, November 2, 1991

Sir,

We have received your letter and we thank you for your interest in
our activities.

We state precisely to you that Commander Cousteau has not become a
Muslim and that this rumor passes around without foundation.

Very cordially,




Didier CERCEAU
chargé de mission

Would you like to try again?

This maybe one that may not be true. Nevertheless the rest of them are still true. And that is still evidence that scientist have accepted Islam after reading the quran and seeing the miracles in it.