"A FLOOD of NONSENSE! - Global Flood or Mass Extinctions?"

[Miles]

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A delightful explanation of why the notion of a global flood---the Noachian Flood---doesn't make any sense.




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Question: Is any of what Forrest Valkai, the host, said, wrong? If so, what and why?


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[Eloi]

[Replying to Eloi in post #9]

The physical evidence for the Flood could be the same evidence used to prove the ice ages (just moving dating)... What seems implausible to atheists is not the lack of evidence, but that the Biblical account goes into details that they do not want to accept/believe.

This is what happens when you don't run the numbers and just generalize things. First, the ice ages (at least since long before humans arrived) were not global flooding events or anything close. They were the polar ice caps extending much further south, then retreating again, etc. They don't involve the levels ot water needed for a global flood as described in Genesis by orders of magnitude. Second, there isn't nearly enough water on Earth to cover the entire planet to the tops of the highest mountains (as described in Genesis). This alone torpedoes the entire myth ... there is no source for all the water that is needed and you can find examples of the calculations all over the web, including some by religious people who realize the story is just that .. a story.

https://reasons.org/explore/publication ... y-possible

From the article:

"Without limiting what God can do, it seems more prudent to recognize that the Bible describes a flood that judged all humanity but did not cover the entire globe."

It didn't happen.

Thank you for telling what you've been told.

I believe the Bible records. There were survivors who told the story.

[Eloi]

Did you know that according to a Biblical chronology the Deluge happened in 2370 B.C. and that Noah was an ancestor of Abraham only up to ten generations before him? Abraham was born 352 years after the Deluge, in 2018 B.C.

Ten generations back from me would take me as far back as perhaps the 18th century... Nothing so far away that it would seem incredible what my ancestors could have left on record for all future generations of descendants, don't you think?

How much of our history books is based on records dating back well over 2 millennia, instead of just 350 years like the story of the Deluge to Abraham?

[DrNoGods]

[Replying to Eloi in post #11]

Thank you for telling what you've been told.

This is another example of not appreciating how science works. It doesn't simply take at face value what it is told ... that is how religion works. Science measures, observes, analyzes, etc. and runs the numbers to arrive at explanations that make sense and are consistent. Anyone can throw darts, challenge, etc. and refine the results if warranted (unlike religion). The analysis showing that there was/is no source for enough water to produce a global flood covering the highest mountains isn't just what someone was told ... it is running the actual numbers to see if the whole story is feasible and the answer is a definite no. What anyone is "told" has nothing to do with it.

I believe the Bible records. There were survivors who told the story.

Really? The only human survivers were Noah, his wife, their 3 sons and their wives ... 8 people. Where did any of these 8 people document the story? Is this in the bible somewhere? If so, where? If not the bible, where did one of these 8 people write down what happened?

[Eloi]

Yes:I believe the Bible records. You are not invite to my mind.

[DrNoGods]

[Replying to Eloi in post #12]

Did you know that according to a Biblical chronology the Deluge happened in 2370 B.C. and that Noah was an ancestor of Abraham only up to ten generations before him? Abraham was born 352 years after the Deluge, in 2018 B.C.

Ten generations back from me would take me as far back as perhaps the 18th century... Nothing so far away that it would seem incredible what my ancestors could have left on record for all future generations of descendants, don't you think?

None of this matters in the slightest. There wasn't enough water available for the mythical "Deluge." Simple as that. And that is just one of many physical reasons such an event could not have happened as described in Genesis. Plus, Noah was supposed to have lived to 950 years, started the Ark at 600 years, fathered a child at 500 years old, etc. This is all completely ridiculous.

How much of our history books is based on records dating back well over 2 millennia, instead of just 350 years like the story of the Deluge to Abraham?

We have artifacts that we can physically see and touch from the neolithic period (some 10-15 thousand years ago), cave paintings and figurines 30-40 thousand years old, and fossils that are hundreds of millions of years old. If the "Deluge" happened a measly 4400 years ago there would be overwhelming evidence for it ... but there is virtually none. It is a myth.

[Eloi]

We got records dating from humans' creation.

[DrNoGods]

[Replying to Eloi in post #16]

We got records dating from humans' creation.

Indeed we do, it's called the fossil record which shows that humans (Homo sapiens) evolved from a great ape ancestor. And we now have genetics work (or records) to confirm it.

[Eloi]

[Replying to Eloi in post #16]

We got records dating from humans' creation.

Indeed we do, it's called the fossil record which shows that humans (Homo sapiens) evolved from a great ape ancestor. And we now have genetics work (or records) to confirm it.

It is called Biblical records.

[Eloi]

Did you know that Moses was the sixth generation from Abraham? So any historical account that Abraham received from his tenth ancestor, Noah, could easily have been received by Moses only a few generations later.

Actually, since the Bible is a collection of historical records subsequent to one another, it is very easy to understand why in Jesus' day Jews still believed the account of the creation of Adam and Eve. For them the generational issue was very important. Their genealogical ancestors determined their role in their worship of the Creator and many other legal matters concerning family rights such as marriages, inheritances, family territories, etc.

The Bible is not like The Arabian Nights...it is a collection of actual records passed down from one generation to the next...and thank God who inspired them, allowed us to access them in our day. How magnificent our Creator!!!!

[Clownboat]

[Replying to Eloi in post #9]

The physical evidence for the Flood could be the same evidence used to prove the ice ages (just moving dating)... What seems implausible to atheists is not the lack of evidence, but that the Biblical account goes into details that they do not want to accept/believe.

This is what happens when you don't run the numbers and just generalize things. First, the ice ages (at least since long before humans arrived) were not global flooding events or anything close. They were the polar ice caps extending much further south, then retreating again, etc. They don't involve the levels ot water needed for a global flood as described in Genesis by orders of magnitude. Second, there isn't nearly enough water on Earth to cover the entire planet to the tops of the highest mountains (as described in Genesis). This alone torpedoes the entire myth ... there is no source for all the water that is needed and you can find examples of the calculations all over the web, including some by religious people who realize the story is just that .. a story.

https://reasons.org/explore/publication ... y-possible

From the article:

"Without limiting what God can do, it seems more prudent to recognize that the Bible describes a flood that judged all humanity but did not cover the entire globe."

It didn't happen.

Thank you for telling what you've been told.

I believe the Bible records. There were survivors who told the story.

And now we all have a great example of why debating the Biblical flood is like debating a flat earth. It gives the idea credit that it doesn't even deserve. The reasoning for both is embarrassing as was just displayed.

"I believe the Bible records".
"I believe flat earth records".


The real question is... are we doing a disservice to flat earthers to pretend that it has merit by discussing the idea?
The same could be asked of global flooders who think their religious story has merit because people are willing to discuss it?