Evolutionism, the Odd Man Out.

[hiramabbi2]

Mankind changed from prehistoric to Human just AFTER Noah arrived on this Planet. Civilization was born just South of the Mountains of Ararat, exactly as God told us.

The reason there is No evidence of Human Civilization before Mesopotamia, is that Humanity was inherited from Noah, a direct descendant of the first Human, Adam. Noah's grandsons married the descendants of the sons of God (Prehistoric Man) and produced those with the intelligence necessary to WRITE their own History.

This event took place some 10,000 + - years ago, and History agrees with Scripture. Evolutionism is odd man out, and NO Evol has been able to show us ANY evidence of an Earlier Human Civilization, than that which is listed in Scripture.

God Bless

[hiramabbi2]

Dear Readers,

Before Noah and his family arrived on this planet, there was NO domesticated agriculture nor any other signs of Human Intelligence anywhere else in this Whole Earth.

If Mindless Nature could produce Human Intelligence, it would have done so MILLIONS of years BEFORE Noah arrived.

Just as happened on the 1st Earth, agriculture and city building were the first signs of Human Intelligence, on this Planet. NO Evolution was necessary except descent with modification, or MicroEvolution.

God Bless

[juliod]

I have been waiting for the Evols to produce evidence of human civilization older than that of Mesapotamia based on the criteria above.

Excuse me while I whip out something else...

OK, I got my copy of The Oxford Illustrated History of Prehistoric Europe. Let's see.... -flip-flip-flip- When does European History begin?

Ealiest Arrivals: ~1,800,000 BP.

I think you might find if you actually looked into it, that there is plenty of evidence of civilizations much older than Mesopotamia.


BTW,

The Creatures made on the 6th day were formed by Jesus himself with his own hand from the dust of the ground.

Creatures aren't made of dust.

DanZ

[hiramabbi2]

Dear juliod,

Please provide the link so that we could investigate the credibility and validity of your source. Thanks

REPOST: Insertions are mine.

In the beginning God Created the heaven (Air) and the Earth (Ground). And the Earth was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The 3 elements necessary for all physical form are shown... Air, Dust, and Water. Everything which is physical is composed of these 3 elements. The text is correct in showing that the water was not directly created, or spoken into being, because it consists of elements of the Air or Atmosphere. Water is Hydrogen and Oxygen and came from the Atmosphere and is not shown as a separate creation.

This is correct in today's scientific knowledge, but IF the Bible were written by Ancient men, Moses would not have known this. He would have written that in the beginning God created the Air, Dust, and Water, but since God Himself is the Author, He correctly shows that the Atmosphere and Ground were created, and the Water was not a separate creation but instead, came from the Atmosphere.

God Bless

[bigmrpig]

That's why they call it the Cradle of Civilization. Reading, Writing and Math all originated with the descendants of Noah, in this area. From this region, all Nations became Human.

I have been waiting for the Evols to produce evidence of human civilization older than that of Mesapotamia based on the criteria above.

By those criteria, Mesopotamia is definitely the first society, but saying that it was Noah that caused this is taking quite a jump. Especially when there is no historical evidence to show this, except for the bible, which was written many thousands of years later. I hardly suspect that they had any knowledge of the creators of Mesopotamia.

Furthermore, the Mesopotamian system of writing (not counting the system of pictographs, developed around 3500 BC) wasn't developed until <i>after</i> 3000 BC, according the knowledge we have the area, effectively nullifying the argument that Noah brought reading and writing to Mesopotamia 10,000 years ago.

The first small-scale irrigation and domestication of agriculture in Mesopotamia occured 8000 years ago, not 10,000. The first remotely advanced irrigation did not occur until 5000 BC.

I fail to see how, even if we assume reading, writing, and math <i>did</i> occur in the area 10,000 years ago, how that provides any proof that Noah was the cause.

<i>*Note: All facts used in this post were taken from</i>Traditions & Encounters: A Global Perspective on the Past<i> by Jerry H Bentley, professor of history at the University of Hawai'i, and Herbert F Ziegler, associate professor of history at the University of Hawai'i. Published by McGraw-Hill Higher Education, 2003.

[ENIGMA]

In the beginning God Created the heaven (Air) and the Earth (Ground). And the Earth was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The 3 elements necessary for all physical form are shown... Air, Dust, and Water. Everything which is physical is composed of these 3 elements. The text is correct in showing that the water was not directly created, or spoken into being, because it consists of elements of the Air or Atmosphere. Water is Hydrogen and Oxygen and came from the Atmosphere and is not shown as a separate creation.

This is correct in today's scientific knowledge,...

Stop, just stop.

I mean, that was completely and utterly, even perhaps profoundly wrong.

First off, are you aware that the study of elements has shifted entirely from alchemy to a little something called chemistry?

You see in chemistry, there are far more than three elements, but rather by recent count 118, including more than a dozen synthetically contructed elements.

Any element that is sufficiently stable can exist in a solid, liquid, or gas state depending on the combination of temperature and pressure that happens to be acting on it at the time. Heck, drastically crank up the temperature and one could turn that matter into a high energy state called plasma, which happens to be the manner in which much of the suns hydrogen happens to be composed.

The notion that water comes from the atmosphere was a tough one? Don't you think that Moses and his tribesmen ever happened to get rained upon? Don't you think that is a really friggin big giveaway?

[perfessor]

Before Noah and his family arrived on this planet, there was NO domesticated agriculture nor any other signs of Human Intelligence anywhere else in this Whole Earth.

There has I'm sure been much research into early agriculture and civilization. But the existence of Noah is an uncorroborated legend. It's like saying, "Before some arbitrary point in past history, there was no domesticated agriculture etc..." It's a meaningless statement.

If Mindless Nature could produce Human Intelligence, it would have done so MILLIONS of years BEFORE Noah arrived.

If mindless nature could produce human intelligence, there would always be a point in time roughly 10,000 years after the development of said intelligence. We just happen to be living in that time now.

Just as happened on the 1st Earth, agriculture and city building were the first signs of Human Intelligence, on this Planet.

"The 1st Earth" ??!!??

[bernee51]

Before Noah and his family arrived on this planet, there was NO domesticated agriculture nor any other signs of Human Intelligence anywhere else in this Whole Earth.

On what do you base this {{{choke, sputter}} 'fact'

[agriculture and city building were the first signs of Human Intelligence, on this Planet.

so nomads, who have been around for tens of millennia (the Australian aboriginals come to mind) who did not build cities or indulge in agriculture are without "human intelligence".

I wonder what standard you are using for intelligence - your post makes it difficult to determine.

[YEC]

Dear Readers,

Before Noah and his family arrived on this planet, there was NO domesticated agriculture nor any other signs of Human Intelligence anywhere else in this Whole Earth.

If Mindless Nature could produce Human Intelligence, it would have done so MILLIONS of years BEFORE Noah arrived.

Just as happened on the 1st Earth, agriculture and city building were the first signs of Human Intelligence, on this Planet. NO Evolution was necessary except descent with modification, or MicroEvolution.

God Bless

Actually due to the world wide flood mentioned in the accounts of Genesis any remains of any pre-flood civilization would have been wiped out.

[perfessor]

Actually due to the world wide flood mentioned in the accounts of Genesis any remains of any pre-flood civilization would have been wiped out.

How convenient for your theory.

[hiramabbi2]

Dear Readers,
Before Noah and his family arrived on this planet, there was NO domesticated agriculture nor any other signs of Human Intelligence anywhere else in this Whole Earth.

If Mindless Nature could produce Human Intelligence, it would have done so MILLIONS of years BEFORE Noah arrived.

Just as happened on the 1st Earth, agriculture and city building were the first signs of Human Intelligence, on this Planet. NO Evolution was necessary except descent with modification, or MicroEvolution.

God Bless

Actually due to the world wide flood mentioned in the accounts of Genesis any remains of any pre-flood civilization would have been wiped out.

Dear YEC,

The sons of God, on the first world, were drowned, but the sons of God, who were Created, from the water, on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21, had been inhabiting this Planet for Millions of years. They are called Prehistoric, by scientists, but sons of God, by God.

The sons of God's, daughters, married the grandsons of Noah, and produced offspring, and inherited the Human Intelligence of Adam. History records that Civilization began, on this Earth, with Noah's great grandsons. Like Cain, Noah's grandsons had NO one else to marry.

There are many, many, more examples of the fact that this Earth is not the World of Adam.

God Bless