Theory of Creation?

juliod · Post by **juliod** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:09 pm

The big problem in the debate over creation is the utter lack of a "theory of creation".

They never tell us the where and when or their theory, and never tell us the evidence that supports it.

For example, Genesis is true, then the three most important events in history are 1) The Creation, 2) The Flood, and 3) The Babel story.

Some creationists accept 4004 BC for the date of creation. But I have never seen anyone put a date on the other two.

The Babel story should be very easy to support, since all branches of linguistics should point to the location of the tower as the origin.

It's also remarkable that no creationist organization has yet built a replica ark and showed that it it seaworthy and capable of carrying a large number of animals, etc.

DanZ

YEC · Post by **YEC** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 4:51 pm

juliod,
it hasn't been done.

When was the creation?

When was the flood?

Where and when was the Babel story?

I did a quick google search on the events listed above and found dates....I had no problem... so how is it you can claim "it hasn't been done?"

juliod · Post by **juliod** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 5:46 pm

I did a quick google search on the events listed above and found dates....I had no problem... so how is it you can claim "it hasn't been done?"

Because you only tell me that it has been done, but won't tell me the dates, etc.

If you point out one or two web pages that have conherent, complete Theories of Creation, I will be more than happy to read them.

DanZ

YEC · Post by **YEC** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 5:53 pm

There is no reason for me to do your homework.

The dates are there...if they are such a concern to you, go search them out.

juliod · Post by **juliod** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:12 pm

The dates are there...if they are such a concern to you, go search them out.

So you are agreeing, then, that is it in fact reasonable for me to claim that the Theory of Creation doesn't exist?

Thanks!

DanZ

YEC · Post by **YEC** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:47 pm

juliod wrote:
The dates are there...if they are such a concern to you, go search them out.
So you are agreeing, then, that is it in fact reasonable for me to claim that the Theory of Creation doesn't exist?

Thanks!

DanZ

I said the dates are there...so please do tell me how your lazyness to do an extremely simple google search or two shows how the Theory of Creation doesn't exist?

juliod · Post by **juliod** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:11 pm

so please do tell me how your lazyness to do an extremely simple google search or two shows how the Theory of Creation doesn't exist?

It's got to do with debating. You'll see that word at the top of the page, in big black letters. In a debate, if one side declines to present an argument, the other is free to conclude that the argument doesn't exist.

But I would be interested to know your personal views on the dates of the creation, flood, babel, etc.

DanZ

YEC · Post by **YEC** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:00 pm

Then go find the dates on line..post them..and tell me why you don't like them...It's called debating. Remember?

Nyril · Post by **Nyril** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:20 pm

Then go find the dates on line..post them..and tell me why you don't like them...It's called debating. Remember?

I contend that they don't exist, and YEC is lying to us. My searches turned up nothing. He can prove me wrong by simply producing them.

axeplayer · Post by **axeplayer** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:29 pm

(Mr.Muffin said.....) Genesis 7:4 "For after seven more days I will cause it to rain on the earth forty days and forty nights, and I will destroy from the face of the earth all living things that I have made."

Genesis 7:12 "And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights."

Genesis 7:19 "And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered."

So again, I ask: What minimum rate of rainfall would be required to cover the entire earth in forty days?
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you have neglected the following verses......

Genesis 1:6 "And God said, 'let there be an expanse between the waters to seperate water from water. So God made the expanse and seperated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. God called the expanse 'sky''".

what this verse is saying is that after God created the earth and the sky and darkness and fish and all that good stuff, he made the sky. the sky seperated the water above the sky from the water below. If you know how rain works, it evaporates water on the ground or in lakes, and puts it in clouds, and when the cloud gets heavy, it rains. the rain Noah faced was not ordinary rain. the water that is above the sky that this verse refers to is the rain Noah faced. It didn't 'rain', the water literally just dumped out of the sky at God's command. And this water was present in all of the sky, so it could very easily cover the earth in forty days. Also, the water that flooded the earth did not only come from the sky.....

Genesis 7:11 "In the 600th year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month- on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened."

When this verse refers to the 'springs of the great deep', it is talking about all of the ground water present in the earth at that time. Think about every single tablespoon of water that is underneath the earth gushing out through geyers or hot springs, or whatever holes they could find. That, combined with the wall of water falling from the sky, would have no problem flooding the earth in 40 days.

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Gollum · Post by **Gollum** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:58 pm

'let there be an expanse between the waters to seperate water from water. So God made the expanse and seperated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. God called the expanse 'sky''

There's water above the sky? None found in any of the space probes, missions to the moon or planets that I've heard of. And if there was, what kept it up there? Come to think of it, a layer of water enclosing the earth would be a pretty good heat trap. That should have created a hundred degrees or so of global warming. No mention of it in the bible however.

the water literally just dumped out of the sky at God's command

and it must have been a real gully washer too! Taking Everest as the highest point on earth at about 29,000 feet above sea level or about 348,000 inches. If it rained 40 days and nights then thats 725 feet per day or 30 feet per hour or 6 inches per minute. We should have completely eroded all the continents into the oceans with that amount of water falling.

Think about every single tablespoon of water that is underneath the earth gushing out through geyers or hot springs, or whatever holes they could find

We have a bit of a physics problem here. If you have a baloon filled with water and sitting in a bowl, you can certainly squeeze the baloon and water will shoot out of the baloon into the bowl. Note however that the displacing of water from inside the baloon to outside it doesn't cause the bowl to overflow. Moving water from inside the earth to the surface has to leave a void inside that will certainly be filled by the earth's crust collapsing into it. In short, you can move stuff around but there isn't any way to increase the total volume just by moving ground water to the surface ... or are we going to ring in another miracle where God decided to maintain a vacuum in the space vacated by the ground waters?

We are not talking about tablespoons or buckets or even box cars. We are talking about 1 billion cubic miles of water. Remember, the earth is made of rock and rocks sink in water. If there was that much water down there the geophysicists would have found it long ago. We know its not back up in space (at least locally). You can't hide it in ground water ... there's just too much of it. So where is it? God just made it vanish? What?

This is all so absurd. To take Noah and the flood literally you need to ring in so many ad hoc miracles and ignore so much contradictory evidence that mere belief in God looks like a perfectly sensible, fact-based activity in comparison.