Should the Democrats Admit They Stole the 2020 Election?

[Purple Knight]

Should the Democrats admit they stole the 2020 election?

Regardless of whether they did it or not, if they can somehow prove beyond reasonable doubt that they did it, Trump won't be president now in 2024, because he was already elected twice, and no one can be elected to the office of President more than twice. It doesn't say become a sitting president. It says elected.

Tangentially related to this is the idea that if you steal an election through untrue slander, the slandered person can sue, but who cares? The question of who gets that position of power is much more important, so logically one should always slander and lie, if it will get votes.

[The Barbarian]

(Barbarian checks) Turns out you're right. The 22nd Amendment says a president can be elected no more than twice.

I have no doubt that some politicians would be crooked enough to try this to salvage an election that they lost fair and square, but I don't think Harris would do that.

[marke]

Should the Democrats admit they stole the 2020 election?

Regardless of whether they did it or not, if they can somehow prove beyond reasonable doubt that they did it, Trump won't be president now in 2024, because he was already elected twice, and no one can be elected to the office of President more than twice. It doesn't say become a sitting president. It says elected.

Tangentially related to this is the idea that if you steal an election through untrue slander, the slandered person can sue, but who cares? The question of who gets that position of power is much more important, so logically one should always slander and lie, if it will get votes.

Democrats stole the election by massive fraud in 2020 but the American people refused to allow them to steal it again in 2024.

[Purple Knight]

Democrats stole the election by massive fraud in 2020 but the American people refused to allow them to steal it again in 2024.

If they did steal it, they could simply do so again. If assurances that the process is secure despite the fact that we cannot see the machinery are sufficient once, they will be sufficient forever. Maybe they think they need to let Republicans have a victory for believability's sake.

My deeper question here is that if the Democrats really did it, and can prove so, would that make Trump unable to be sworn in, since he had already been elected to the office twice?

[marke]

Democrats stole the election by massive fraud in 2020 but the American people refused to allow them to steal it again in 2024.

If they did steal it, they could simply do so again. If assurances that the process is secure despite the fact that we cannot see the machinery are sufficient once, they will be sufficient forever. Maybe they think they need to let Republicans have a victory for believability's sake.

My deeper question here is that if the Democrats really did it, and can prove so, would that make Trump unable to be sworn in, since he had already been elected to the office twice?

Democrats have been committing voting fraud for decades and still commit fraud. Crooked politicos also seek to protect fraud by unjust laws because to them the party is God and must be promoted and protected at any cost, legal or illegal.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #3]

Democrats stole the election by massive fraud in 2020

Since this is coming up again, let's look at it again:

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[help3434]

[Replying to Purple Knight in post #1]
If the 2020 election was stolen, then he didn't have it because it was stolen. Your conclusion is invalid even if your unsound premise was somehow true.

[Purple Knight]

[Replying to Purple Knight in post #1]
If the 2020 election was stolen, then he didn't have it because it was stolen. Your conclusion is invalid even if your unsound premise was somehow true.

Read. the. actual. law.

It says no one shall be elected to the office of president more than twice. Elected means chosen.

I can't believe Trump is still pursuing this. Is literally no one around him capable of realising this?

I'm sitting here like:

[help3434]

Read. the. actual. law.

It says no one shall be elected to the office of president more than twice. Elected means chosen.

I doubt the courts would agree that a stolen election would count towards the 22nd amendment restriction, but its a moot point anyway.

I can't believe Trump is still pursuing this. Is literally no one around him capable of realising this?

He is too much of a narcissist to ever admit he lost.

[Purple Knight]

I doubt the courts would agree that a stolen election would count towards the 22nd amendment restriction, but its a moot point anyway.

Why? In our current political climate I think it depends on whose side the courts are on. Both sides are polarised and are going to just back their side. If it gets to the Supreme Court and it's filled with justices who hate Trump, they'll be happy to use the excuse to get rid of him because they think he's a genuine monster who is hurting people and has to be gotten rid of by any means necessary. If you think this, I guess you gotta do what you gotta do.

It's actually not an easy question. I tend to think people have a right to vote for tighter border enforcement for example. But the last guy just let everybody in and now we are stuck wondering if it violates human rights to uproot them. I honestly don't think it does, but my opinion is not so strong that I don't understand people who do think it violates rights being willing to buck procedure and get rid of what they see as a rights-violator. I would hope that if they win in the end, they return this sort of compassion and try to work toward a solution that lets people self-segregate and be away from the immigrants they never wanted to be around, if they really want to.

If people who really want to self-segregate, cannot do so, are denied the opportunities to do so, well then, I would then strongly believe those denying such opportunities are rights-violators.

He is too much of a narcissist to ever admit he lost.

Nothing wrong with being a narcissist. But this would make it the perfect trap. They fake stealing the election, or even actually do it (faking it would probably be easier) throw bread crumbs, make sure they have absolute proof they can feed him through their double agents, he takes the bait, and boom, he's not President anymore.