Near-death experiences!

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Jari Iivanainen's article about NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCES AND DAMNATION

http://koti.phnet.fi/elohim/Border_of_death_experiences

Most people are probably curious of what is after death, and beyond the border of death. This many be a reason why they seek knowledge from spiritism-sessions or books that ponder this issue. Many have also had personal close-to-death experiences i.e. experiences when their heart may have stopped in the hospital or in connection with an accident and when they may have seen themselves as if from the outside; they may have seen the operations done to them or the entire operation hall. Some may have also seen in connection with their experiences, a light being that seems to be full of "love and compassion".

The greatest conversation concerning this topic is indeed generally connected with the question, that are all the death-bordering experiences positive and will everyone end up fine beyond the border in spite of the way they have lived on earth? Many researchers want to believe this but is it true? We are going to look at this matter in the following lines. Several observations and examples seem to indicate that not everyone will necessarily end up well.

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What's also fascinating is that "people" do not want to be alone. Seperation and rejection causes great emotional harm. Enough so that people will choose to be around people that they really do not want to be, but lonliness is too horrible for most people. Even those that seperate themselves from people are usally doing ot for people. A great explorer goes off not to be alone, but to discover and/or bring a better world to others in which to share it (the discovery) with.

From your link http://koti.phnet.fi/elohim/Border_of_death_experiences

No wonder:

Deathbed experiences. A reason to doubt the identity of the light being and many positive experiences is that many experiences on the deathbed have been negative and some have even seen damnation. From history books, we can see that well-known people such as Voltaire, king of France Carl lX , Queen Elizabeth (1603), Ethan Allen, Thomas Payne, David Hume and Edward Gibbon have experienced a horrible death. For example Voltaire is known to have spent his last months in such a condition that the nurse taking care of swore never again to care for a dying atheist.

One description like this is found from a book written by an evangelist who lived in the 1800's titled: "Ihmeellisi hertyksi"(p. 59,60). He wrote concerning a certain woman:



During the revival, my attention was focused on a certain sick woman, who had been a member of the Baptist church and was very well known in the locality, but people didn't trust her piety. Tuberculosis consumed her quickly and I was called to meet her. So I went and I had a long conversation with her. She told me of a vision that she had seen as a girl, which made her think that her sins had been forgiven. This was her argument and no evidence could shake her. I tried to convince her that this dream was by no means a mark of her conversion. I told her directly that her friends had assured me that she had never lived a Christian life or displayed Christian disposition. I had come to try and get her to give up her wrong hope and to see whether she would like to receive Jesus Christ into her life that she could be saved. I acted very kindly towards her but I made my purpose very clear to her. However, she was deeply hurt and when I left she complained that I had wanted to take away from her, her hope and cause anxiety in her mind, and that it was cruel to harass a sick person and to disturb her peace of mind. Shortly after that she died. As her death approached, she received such a view of God and the holiness, which the inhabitants of heaven must have, that she cried of anguish and said she was going to hell. According to what I have heard, she died in this condition.



Returning back. It has sometimes happened that people have been dead for longer periods of time and then returned to life. An example of a happening like this is told by Mel Tari in his book "Kuin vkev tuulisp" (Like a mighty wind) p. 77-80. He tells of a man who had been dead for two days and his body had begun to rot, but who still came back to life:



"When we arrived, we noticed that there were over a thousand people. The deceased had been dead for two days and had begun to smell heavily. In our tropical land the dead start to rot six hours after death. But after two days: oh, it is almost impossible to be closer than 30 metres from the body. The smell is awful. In America you can't understand this because your funerals are organized so well. But it also costs you 2000 dollars. In Indonesia we do not have the possibilities to make the dead look attractive. The local dead look terrible two days after death...

We went and stood around this dead man. We started to sing...

Even after the fifth song nothing happened. But during the sixth song the man started to move his toes - and the group was afraid. There is a story in Indonesia that sometimes the dead might wake up and come back to life. They suffocate some person between the lid of a coffin and then die again. However we continued our singing. When we were singing the seventh and eighth songs, the dead brother woke up, watched around and smiled.

He didn't suffocate anyone. He opened his mouth and said: 'Jesus has brought me back to life. Brothers and sisters, I want to tell you something. Firstly, life doesn't end when you die. I have been dead for two days and I have experienced it. Hell and heaven are real. I have experienced it. The third thing that I want to tell you is that unless you find Jesus in this life, you can never get into heaven. You will then certainly be judged to hell.'"