I am perplexed by fundamentalist christians that are always targeting gay people. They want to pass all sorts of laws restricting rights and privileges that everyone else has. What frustrates me the most is that they seem to be tunnel-visioned on gays. There are many things in the christian bible that they could talk about. I bet you there are more adulterers in the US than gay people and adultery is a ten commandments topic. What about honoring your parents? Can we focus on that for a while? This gay marriage thing being a religious idea only? I know of several religions that encourage gay people to find partners to marry including Unity, Unitarian Universalists and the Quakers.
I believe that gay people are the target because the christian religion, or its higher ups, have nothing else to target? They have lost the battle with alcohol and porn, they used to say black people couldn't marry white people but can't do that anymore. They try to stop drugs but you can't pass any more laws about that. Ok I'm being a bit out there, but really, Christianity has been losing its control over its flock for decades, if not centuries. Every sociologist and psychology person can easily see that when someone or some group sees its former control waning they will do anything to regain it. It's a desparate act. These fundamentalist christians have to find something to rally the troops.....wha-laa!.....gay people. A marginalized group in our over masculinized, sports culture that many people feel uncomfortable with. From history, the Nazi's for example, we know that hate is an excellent way to mobilize a group.
Isn't it blatantly unconstitutional to forbid the marriage of two people? In Virginia they want to outlaw any 'marraige like' contracts between two people of the same sex, doesn't that seem unconstitutional? The sodomy laws that Chief Justice Souter condemned was obviously directed at gay men. The 14th amendments says no state shall pass a law abridging the rights of its citizens. The only people saying I cannot marry another guy is christians? Right there we have a church-state conflict.
Ok, let me have it!
Why are gay people a Christian target?
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Post #401
Your last sentence proved that I did.
Homosexuals have been elevated to a cultural class. Not by anyhting sensible, but by their desires to "reach the masses."
Sexual deviant behavior - something you can also look up - is defineable. Gay people are no more the target of Christians than anyone else who are not Christians.
Read Romans in the New Testament.
Of course the sexual deviants treated the Christians the same way then as now.
It is clear that dismantling Christianity is the goal of the sexual deviants. The same way then as now, with the help of a similar Appellate Court now.
Homosexuals have been elevated to a cultural class. Not by anyhting sensible, but by their desires to "reach the masses."
Sexual deviant behavior - something you can also look up - is defineable. Gay people are no more the target of Christians than anyone else who are not Christians.
Read Romans in the New Testament.
Of course the sexual deviants treated the Christians the same way then as now.
It is clear that dismantling Christianity is the goal of the sexual deviants. The same way then as now, with the help of a similar Appellate Court now.
Post #402
Who are the anti-gay non-Christians that you see on the news marginalizing gays, picketing, proclaiming homosexual evils, and verbally persecuting LGBT? You don't. It's a right wind, fundamentalist anti-Gay Christian movement in America.Sexual deviant behavior - something you can also look up - is defineable. Gay people are no more the target of Christians than anyone else who are not Christians.
Where did you get this "clear" idea? Where is your paranoia coming from and why do people that are different from you scare you so much? When has the LGBT movement ever stated a platform of "dismantling Christianity?" They haven't, nor will they ever, because many of them are Christian and because it's not a fundamental religious movement like the one waged against them. While Christians proclaim a jihad on LGBTs, our homosexual brothers and sisters attack no one, rather they aim to change a system that marginalizes them.It is clear that dismantling Christianity is the goal of the sexual deviants. The same way then as now, with the help of a similar Appellate Court now.
Maybe doing a little research would open your eyes to the fact that most sexual abusers and pedophiles are heterosexuals. Further, many sexual abusers are parents, and priests. If you were really scared for children you'd keep them far away from church. Open your eyes! Homosexuals are not the ones perpetrating violent sex crimes.If you have any clue about the foundation of my concern about the homosexualization of MY country, is exactly from my concern for children.
For example, a study was done in 1994 (which you can find online at the National Library of Medicine) by three Pediatric clinicians who asked the question "Are children at risk of abuse by homosexuals?" The answer they obtained after testing over 300 children at a sexual abuse clinic in a childrens hospital:
Sure, you can easily keep your worldview intact and say that this is just one study- but how can you reconcile empirical evidence against your claims about homosexuals?Charts were reviewed to determine the relationships of the children to the alleged offender, the sex of the offender, and whether or not the alleged offender was reported to be gay, lesbian, or bisexual. RESULTS. Abuse was ruled out in 35 cases. Seventy-four children were allegedly abused by other children and teenagers less than 18 years old. In 9 cases, an offender could not be identified. In the remaining 269 cases, two offenders were identified as being gay or lesbian. In 82% of cases (222/269), the alleged offender was a heterosexual partner of a close relative of the child.
Absolute language keeps eyes ears and mind shut and only fuels one's paranoia.
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Deviant is such a loaded word. A deviant is someone who deviates from the norm. So if the normal level of sexual activity is between 2 to 5 times per week, then those who practice sex less than twice per week or more than five are sexual deviants. AlAyeti has still failed to objectively show why he considers certain sexual deviations to be immoral. "The bible tells me so," is only sufficient for those who believe the bible.AlAyeti wrote:Sexual deviant behavior - something you can also look up - is defineable.
This is an untruth. There is a significant history of Christians who attempt to block the civil rights of gay people. The bible condemns the worship of other gods, yet I do not see Christians trying to drive those who practice other religions into secrecy and trying to teach that the heathens are wrong and to be shunned in the public school system. No, I think than any objective observer would come to the conclusion that the Christian movement does target Gays more than it targets heathens, the covetous, the envious, slanderers and those who are disobedient to parents.AlAyeti wrote:Gay people are no more the target of Christians than anyone else who are not Christians.
Post #404
This makes no sense.AlAyeti wrote:Your last sentence proved that I did.
Homosexuals have been elevated to a cultural class. Not by anyhting sensible, but by their desires to "reach the masses."
Do a search on YOUR post history...what percentage (statistical term -AlAyeti wrote: Sexual deviant behavior - something you can also look up - is defineable. Gay people are no more the target of Christians than anyone else who are not Christians.
look it up ) of your posts do you think are about you attacking gays?
Gays run colessiums and feed christians to lions? BE THERE, SUNDAYAlAyeti wrote: Read Romans in the New Testament.
Of course the sexual deviants treated the Christians the same way then as now.
SUNDAy, SUNDAY!
Your are saying gays dismantled the Roman Empire?AlAyeti wrote: It is clear that dismantling Christianity is the goal of the sexual deviants. The same way then as now, with the help of a similar Appellate Court now.
Do you have one of those fridge magnet word games about religious right
topics? How do you come up with this crap?
There is no point in pointing out factual errors to you because you don't
seem to care that you are making it all up.
Post #405
AlAyeti wrote:
Gay people are no more the target of Christians than anyone else who are not Christians.
This is an untruth. There is a significant history of Christians who attempt to block the civil rights of gay people. The bible condemns the worship of other gods, yet I do not see Christians trying to drive those who practice other religions into secrecy and trying to teach that the heathens are wrong and to be shunned in the public school system. No, I think than any objective observer would come to the conclusion that the Christian movement does target Gays more than it targets heathens, the covetous, the envious, slanderers and those who are disobedient to parents.
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Christians have been outlawed from teaching what they taught in public schools for a hundred or more years in America. That Christianity IS the only true religion and that anything else is wrong/pagan. At one time almost every school was run by adherants to Christianity. The "Bible" was taught as fact.
THAT WAS OUTLAWED. The lie of seperation of church and state was forced onto an unwilling populace.
You presented a false statement. Devoid of historical truth. Christians had a voice in society and it is almost gone.
Christians are targeting homosexual behavior. There is no shred of morality in homosexual sexuality. Just palin promiscuity protected by latex.
That is not morality. It is recruitment.
Christians oppose the homosexualization of children. They oppse the normality of homosexuality and the death of the family and marriage. The same way they do divorce and adultery that was attacked and defeated BY LAW by anti-Christians.
Evil is like rust. Painting over rust does not stop it from its destruction.
It is time to see facts.
Gay people are no more the target of Christians than anyone else who are not Christians.
This is an untruth. There is a significant history of Christians who attempt to block the civil rights of gay people. The bible condemns the worship of other gods, yet I do not see Christians trying to drive those who practice other religions into secrecy and trying to teach that the heathens are wrong and to be shunned in the public school system. No, I think than any objective observer would come to the conclusion that the Christian movement does target Gays more than it targets heathens, the covetous, the envious, slanderers and those who are disobedient to parents.
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Christians have been outlawed from teaching what they taught in public schools for a hundred or more years in America. That Christianity IS the only true religion and that anything else is wrong/pagan. At one time almost every school was run by adherants to Christianity. The "Bible" was taught as fact.
THAT WAS OUTLAWED. The lie of seperation of church and state was forced onto an unwilling populace.
You presented a false statement. Devoid of historical truth. Christians had a voice in society and it is almost gone.
Christians are targeting homosexual behavior. There is no shred of morality in homosexual sexuality. Just palin promiscuity protected by latex.
That is not morality. It is recruitment.
Christians oppose the homosexualization of children. They oppse the normality of homosexuality and the death of the family and marriage. The same way they do divorce and adultery that was attacked and defeated BY LAW by anti-Christians.
Evil is like rust. Painting over rust does not stop it from its destruction.
It is time to see facts.
Post #406
FROM CHIMP:
Gays run colessiums and feed christians to lions? BE THERE, SUNDAY
SUNDAy, SUNDAY!
AlAyeti wrote:
It is clear that dismantling Christianity is the goal of the sexual deviants. The same way then as now, with the help of a similar Appellate Court now.
Your are saying gays dismantled the Roman Empire?
Do you have one of those fridge magnet word games about religious right
topics? How do you come up with this crap?
There is no point in pointing out factual errors to you because you don't
seem to care that you are making it all up.
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Nero was a man who married a man.
I have been easy to understand in my other posts. You assert that.
Nero was a homosexual. His views towards Christians are the same as homosexuals today.
Ever heard of Hadrian? The Roman Emperor with Greek-style beard? As in Emperor of the Roman Empire. His youthful male lover is celebrated in statue to this day.
Ever heard of Masada? After Hadrians "significant other" died in an accident on their Nile vacation, Hadrian was a bit off center. Hadrian made a trip to Jerusalem in a bad emotional state.
As in, where the Jewish people had to commit suicidde after Hadrians armies trapped them on that hill top? It seems that after reading what the Jewish relifion "was" all about, Hadrian didn't show much diversity tolerance.
If history can be believed, Hadrian even outlawed circumcision! Outlawing religious beliefs? Now where have we heard that before?
I have been quite "assertive" that America, like Rome, Greece and Sodom, when it approves of sexual hedonism and licentiousness as a "civil right" as a cultural class of people, that America and its children and families are doomed. That is basically "society" is it not?
I think a walk down anytown USA late at night will see the fuse lit.
What's that saying about not learning from history?
Gays run colessiums and feed christians to lions? BE THERE, SUNDAY
SUNDAy, SUNDAY!
AlAyeti wrote:
It is clear that dismantling Christianity is the goal of the sexual deviants. The same way then as now, with the help of a similar Appellate Court now.
Your are saying gays dismantled the Roman Empire?
Do you have one of those fridge magnet word games about religious right
topics? How do you come up with this crap?
There is no point in pointing out factual errors to you because you don't
seem to care that you are making it all up.
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Nero was a man who married a man.
I have been easy to understand in my other posts. You assert that.
Nero was a homosexual. His views towards Christians are the same as homosexuals today.
Ever heard of Hadrian? The Roman Emperor with Greek-style beard? As in Emperor of the Roman Empire. His youthful male lover is celebrated in statue to this day.
Ever heard of Masada? After Hadrians "significant other" died in an accident on their Nile vacation, Hadrian was a bit off center. Hadrian made a trip to Jerusalem in a bad emotional state.
As in, where the Jewish people had to commit suicidde after Hadrians armies trapped them on that hill top? It seems that after reading what the Jewish relifion "was" all about, Hadrian didn't show much diversity tolerance.
If history can be believed, Hadrian even outlawed circumcision! Outlawing religious beliefs? Now where have we heard that before?
I have been quite "assertive" that America, like Rome, Greece and Sodom, when it approves of sexual hedonism and licentiousness as a "civil right" as a cultural class of people, that America and its children and families are doomed. That is basically "society" is it not?
I think a walk down anytown USA late at night will see the fuse lit.
What's that saying about not learning from history?
Post #407
AlAYeti wrote:Christians have been outlawed from teaching what they taught in public schools for a hundred or more years in America. That Christianity IS the only true religion and that anything else is wrong/pagan. At one time almost every school was run by adherants to Christianity. The "Bible" was taught as fact.
THAT WAS OUTLAWED. The lie of seperation of church and state was forced onto an unwilling populace.
IT seems to me that one could say that all of this is true, except the last sentence.
However, what has been outlawed was the imposition of Christianity as 'the state religion.' Christianity itself has in no way been outlawed. I practice Christianity every day, as I suspect you do as well.
Whether the Establishment Clause of the consitution implies 'separation of church' and state is certainly open for interpretation. I don't think there is any way you could accurately say it 'is a lie.' The founders were clearly very concerned about government imposing its religious views on an unwilling populous.
Do you have any evidence that a majority of the populace feels the current interpretation of 'separation of church and state' has been forced on them?
Post #408
This is new to me...got any proof?AlAyeti wrote:Nero was a man who married a man.
You are saying that gays today blame Christians for the burning of Rome?AlAyeti wrote: Nero was a homosexual. His views towards Christians are the same as homosexuals today.
Nero was completely deranged and into so many sexual err... interests that
we don't really have a term for what he was.
Hadrian's obsession with Antinous is certainly an eyebrow raiser, however
the exact nature of his relationship is speculative.
The seige of Masada was to do with the Jewish rebellion...not gays.
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Re: Why are gay people a Christian target?
Post #409I was raised on that "love the sinner, hate the sin" stuff; sadly, I don't see too many Christians practicing that these days. I have friends who are gay, so it makes me furious when guys like Jimmy Swaggart come along and start saying that they would kill any gay person who so much as touched them. That is just plain wrong.Colorado127 wrote:I am perplexed by fundamentalist christians that are always targeting gay people. They want to pass all sorts of laws restricting rights and privileges that everyone else has. What frustrates me the most is that they seem to be tunnel-visioned on gays. There are many things in the christian bible that they could talk about. I bet you there are more adulterers in the US than gay people and adultery is a ten commandments topic. What about honoring your parents? Can we focus on that for a while? This gay marriage thing being a religious idea only? I know of several religions that encourage gay people to find partners to marry including Unity, Unitarian Universalists and the Quakers.
I believe that gay people are the target because the christian religion, or its higher ups, have nothing else to target? They have lost the battle with alcohol and porn, they used to say black people couldn't marry white people but can't do that anymore. They try to stop drugs but you can't pass any more laws about that. Ok I'm being a bit out there, but really, Christianity has been losing its control over its flock for decades, if not centuries. Every sociologist and psychology person can easily see that when someone or some group sees its former control waning they will do anything to regain it. It's a desparate act. These fundamentalist christians have to find something to rally the troops.....wha-laa!.....gay people. A marginalized group in our over masculinized, sports culture that many people feel uncomfortable with. From history, the Nazi's for example, we know that hate is an excellent way to mobilize a group.
Isn't it blatantly unconstitutional to forbid the marriage of two people? In Virginia they want to outlaw any 'marraige like' contracts between two people of the same sex, doesn't that seem unconstitutional? The sodomy laws that Chief Justice Souter condemned was obviously directed at gay men. The 14th amendments says no state shall pass a law abridging the rights of its citizens. The only people saying I cannot marry another guy is christians? Right there we have a church-state conflict.
Ok, let me have it!
Post #410
Welcome to the forum StephS.
In our local paper a few days ago, a letter to the editor claimed that God had punished New Orleans with Katrina because of their decadent lifestyle, but in particular because they have annually hosted a large Gay and Lesbian even (I forget the name now). She was particularly pleased that the hurricane came a few days before the event was scheduled to star.
I must say I find this disgusting. It is saying that God intentionally killed hundreds of innocent people and turned the lives of millions more upside-down to disrupt this event.
In our local paper a few days ago, a letter to the editor claimed that God had punished New Orleans with Katrina because of their decadent lifestyle, but in particular because they have annually hosted a large Gay and Lesbian even (I forget the name now). She was particularly pleased that the hurricane came a few days before the event was scheduled to star.
I must say I find this disgusting. It is saying that God intentionally killed hundreds of innocent people and turned the lives of millions more upside-down to disrupt this event.
