AlAyeti wrote:please show me where in the Bible that a Christian can supprt Liberal-Progressive views that are 100% opposed to the Bible?
Hmm... how about St. Matthew 5:1-14? I don't know about views 100% opposed, but my Liberal-Progressive views are fully in accordance with St. Matthew, thank you very much.
AlAyeti wrote:Abortion for the connvenience of not having to have a child and then go on with a sexually licentious life? Very Democrat. Very un-Christian.
Homosexual marriage?
Where in the Bible??
Always discussions of morality end up coming back to these two points. As a person who is neither pro-abortion nor pro-gay marriage who is also a Democrat, I can say that both abortion and gay marriage should be non-issues. Now, I don't like abortion, but I'm enough of a pragmatist to realise that outlawing it would be a mistake, just like Prohibition was a mistake. Abortion was a Pandora's Box that was opened only with federal funding thereof, and if we remove federal funding from abortion clinics, hopefully we can move discussion of morality to a bigger playing field. Next to war, domestic issues and the environment, abortion and gay marriage are small potatoes. The Democrats have two strikes against them from where I stand; the Republicans have at least five (war, budget, medical policy, environmental policy, educational policy, to name a few) and are long since out.
AlAyeti wrote:In what Liberal dominated stae or city can even a middle class family afford a home? C'mon do the research. New York? California? Massachusetts?
I don't
do this research. I
live the damn research. I'm a middle-class student living in a middle-class home in one of the most liberal states in the Union (Rhode Island) whose middle-class father teaches at perhaps
the most liberal university in the Union (Brown University), and let me tell you we can afford it. Before this, my parents lived in Wisconsin (another liberal state) with a cheaper home in its most liberal city (Madison) and in New York on graduate stipends in student housing in
its most liberal city (Ithaca) - and could afford it. My mother grew up in a far-from-wealthy family in northern Vermont, a state which has been sometimes termed liberal bordering on socialist. Her family's still there. Struggling thanks to poor weather, but still there. The expensive property up here - if you even care about where that is - is all in the exburbs, and it's all white upper-class Republican defense-contractor country.
The people in the inner city don't have it all, buddy.
AlAyeti wrote:Democrats speak to the poor and give them free needles to stay addicted
Evidence. So far you haven't posted any.
AlAyeti wrote:No Christian should do anything for a Democrat than pray for them to change into decent and honest people.
As an decent, honest, Christian Democrat, I'm praying for you to get past your feeble-minded half-baked generalisations.
AlAyeti wrote:That unprovoked war? Then all of the UN resolutions that were passed againnst Iraq never happened?
Oh, they happened all right. And Iraq was complying. UN people were there doing their jobs and we had the troops backing them up. Until we blew our advantage
by invading! Now the whole place is a terrorist sinkhole and the entire region's FUBAR. Not surprising since all the neoconservatives in the think tanks and the Pentagon are firm believers in chaos theory anyway. Krauthammer's 'solution' to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was to raze the Gaza Strip and West Bank, kill as many people as possible, beat a quick retreat and hope something good comes out of it, and we all know how
that one turned out.
AlAyeti wrote:The UN inspecters were in Iraq looking for weapons of mass destruction for a reason!
That's right. So why the hell did we pull them out? They should have been allowed to continue looking, considering they weren't finished. But wait - we control the country, and we've been looking in their place. Any weapons of mass destruction? Well, we've almost found one component of a piece of a machine that could have been used to build a weapon of mass destruction, but I think that turned out just to be an empty can of Chicken-of-the-Sea.
You wake up - we haven't found any yet, and we likely never will. It was never about the weapons of mass destruction, it was about asserting national interests in the region, and guess just what about the region most interests us? I'll give you a hint: it isn't the Mesopotamian archaeology, but it's found in a similar place.
AlAyeti wrote:Murder criminals? Are you searching for the victims' families to get their opinions? Murderers believe in the death penalty now don't they?
Are you a Bible believing person? Jesus didn't free the guys (who were "criminals") to His left and right. By the way there is a commandment or two about that.
Well, gee, I wonder why that could have been? Could it possibly be because
Jesus was being crucified himself?! I wonder...
The death penalty may have made sense for a tribal society in which 'an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth' kept people in line and kept feuds from breaking out, but nowadays we live on the other side of the Malthusian trap, as it were, and even Jesus lived in a more sedentary time. Jesus preached not retribution but reconciliation, and that should be the focus of our justice system today, especially in a culture shaped so heavily by his influence. In addition to punishment we should find ways to reconcile the wrongdoer to the wronged, which cannot be done if the wrongdoer is dead. I'd rather see a victim's family that forgives and finds solace in that forgiveness than a victim's family that seeks retribution and finds no solace in it.
Also, if murderers do believe in the death penalty, and that death penalty is considered murder by the state, the death penalty even if administered by the state is wrong and it is a crime.
