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Post #51
What they are listing are symptoms, if you feel symptoms X or Y then you may have Z. Then you go to your doctor the doctor hears your symptoms and diagnoses you. In the case of depression your Family practioner would probably send you to a Psychiatrist to evaluate you. It's not like you go to your doctor and tell them, "the commercial for Zoloft told me if I feel bummed out I may have depression and I felt bummed yesterday," and then the doctor gives you Zoloft. You know most doctors actually go to medical school and know what these drugs do and how to dose them. I would like to see how successful marijuana is for treating clinical depression."Are you feeling down? Do you worry that folks think you're a dumb arse? Has life got you all bummed out? Then maybe you should try Ghanjamol! Call your doctor! Do it now! You know ya feel like crap and just wanna die! It'll make ya feeeeel so much better! (Side effects of may include drowsiness, the munchies, giggling, and the urge to play your Santana albums. Ghanjamol should not be taken before driving the schoolbus or grocery shopping.) Call yer doctor... Feel better todaaaay!"
As for the effects of marijuana on aids and cancer victims Marinol can do the same thing.
Post #52
So the doctor says "no" when the patient asks for a specific drug to treat a condition? Assuming the doctor's medical group does not recieve kickbacks from the pharmaceutical companies, there are a number of drugs to treat any one condition. The choice of which drug to use often depends on the judgment of the doctor, especially for depression, where a wide variety of drugs are available. If the choice is influenced by the wishes of the patient, so much the better for the doctor's plausible deniability if and when it doesn't work so well.[/quote]TQWcS wrote:It's not like you go to your doctor and tell them, "the commercial for Zoloft told me if I feel bummed out I may have depression and I felt bummed yesterday," and then the doctor gives you Zoloft. You know most doctors actually go to medical school and know what these drugs do and how to dose them.
I doubt it would help depression, but many people who think they are clinically depressed are instead just going through a hard time. While I'm not saying this isn't just as serious, it's not the same thing as clinical depression. If people can self-medicate with food, alcohol, gambling, sex, exercise, playing video games, or smoking MJ, and it works, this puts less of a burden on the health care system. I am currently looking over my HMO's brochure to removing my own appendix at home, safe and easy.TQWcS wrote:I would like to see how successful marijuana is for treating clinical depression.
Nope. Much of the problem with AIDS and cancer is the inability to keep things down without extreme nausea. How would a swallowable pill help that?TQWcS wrote:As for the effects of marijuana on aids and cancer victims Marinol can do the same thing.
Post #53
This is the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard. My dad has been a doctor for over 20 years and is the head of many health related organizations, and the most he has received from pharmaceutical companies is pens, note pads, and ocassionally a drug rep will pay for his dinner if they see him out. Most good doctors don't just give drugs out because a person asks for them. When my Dad is on call I have heard him turn down people's requests for drugs on many occassions.st88 wrote:So the doctor says "no" when the patient asks for a specific drug to treat a condition? Assuming the doctor's medical group does not recieve kickbacks from the pharmaceutical companies, there are a number of drugs to treat any one condition. The choice of which drug to use often depends on the judgment of the doctor, especially for depression, where a wide variety of drugs are available. If the choice is influenced by the wishes of the patient, so much the better for the doctor's plausible deniability if and when it doesn't work so well.
Well I am sure they could make it where you just hold it under your tongue. Thats how some of the stomach relaxers work.Nope. Much of the problem with AIDS and cancer is the inability to keep things down without extreme nausea. How would a swallowable pill help that?
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Post #54
So
The logic is simple:
1 My body is my own.
2 If I want to take drugs then that is my choice and I will live (die) with the consequences.
3 If you don't want to take drugs then that is your choice.
Please don't apply your choices to me and I won't apply mine to you.
Yes it should, as should all recreational drugs.Should marijuana be legal.
The logic is simple:
1 My body is my own.
2 If I want to take drugs then that is my choice and I will live (die) with the consequences.
3 If you don't want to take drugs then that is your choice.
Please don't apply your choices to me and I won't apply mine to you.
Post #55
In that case should suicide be legal?1 My body is my own.
2 If I want to take drugs then that is my choice and I will live (die) with the consequences.
3 If you don't want to take drugs then that is your choice.
Post #56
Suicide IS legal. At least here in Canada it is. I am fairly sure it is in the US as well. Assisted suicide is not, as that is seen as murder, and as such it is an entirely different ball game. You can take your own life, but you can't ask someone else to take it for you.TQWcS wrote:In that case should suicide be legal?
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Post #57
It is legal in the UK as well...In that case should suicide be legal?
...and so it should be - my life, my choice.
Post #58
With all recreational drugs it isn't that simple. It's not like you just take them and sit there. I can't count how many times someone on drugs has wanted to fight me.2 If I want to take drugs then that is my choice and I will live (die) with the consequences.
3 If you don't want to take drugs then that is your choice.
Post #59
It is that simple. You've again blamed the drug for the actions of the individual, and thus absolved the individual of responsibility for the action. If someone wanted to fight you, it wasn't the drug that gave them the sudden urge to punch you in the face (at least in the case of most recreational drugs). It may have lowered their inhibitions, but the person should still responsible for their actions, even if they were high or drunk while doing so. Blaming the drug for it removes that responsibility.TQWcS wrote:With all recreational drugs it isn't that simple. It's not like you just take them and sit there. I can't count how many times someone on drugs has wanted to fight me.
"Oh it wasn't my fault. It was the Alcohol that made me do it" is not a good excuse, nor should it be accepted as one.
