I pose to you all 2 questions today:
1) Should women be allowed to serve the priesthood?
My personel thought is no for one personel experience.
I went to the Holy Thursday mass at the Basillica of St.Peter and Paul in Phily, Note in the Roman Catholic church the Holy thursday Mass is one of the most highly sacred in the liturgical year. During the Eucarist, the most sacred part of any mass, a woman stood up and started chanting and yelling that woman should be priests. She was not alone she was part of a organization for that cause. it doesnt make sense to me how you can want o be a priest to worship God but can have such disrespec as to interupt the most sacred part of a mass on a sacred day. It seemds like its more self obsorbed in motive than anything
and the second question:
2) Should priests be allowed to marry?
I also believe the answer to this is no. A priest is supposed to be entirly devoted to the priesthood, to God, and to the people he serves. Having a relationship would cause a conflict in interest cause a man is supposed to be devoed entirly to his wife and family and as i said these could easily come into conflict.
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Having studied both the Hostpry pf Cahtolisism and the theology of Catholsiism, I can safely say that yoru just obfusciating.
The truth is, the Cahtolic CHurch is no simply a political orginisaiton divide dinto Liberal and Conservitive Factoions, nor can the Catholic CHurch change her teachings.
The reaosn is because the Cathoic Churhc views said teachigns as Infallable. To change hem means that either truth is changable, which ts not, or that hey erred, which is not so.
As for sayign they Changed heir position numeorus times int he past, this isn't true either.
Oh sure, variosu thigns have changed, from the Liturgy, to administrative practices, to social stands made by the Churhc on secular matters, but on hting has never changed; the teaching of he CHurch.
You confuse the to great;y, and they aren't to be confused.
It doenst matter, for instance, that once Pries where allwoed to be married, as the Churhc doesn't teach as Doctrine Celibacy.That is a disipline.
It doesn't matter that the Liturgy once was the Tridentine and nwo the Novus Ordo ( The Tridentine is howeve rmakign a comeback) as that is liturgy.
It doesnt matter that the Church had this or that custo iint he past and now doesn't.
Oit doesn't even matte that men int he Churhc supported or resisted slavery.
None of that was ever taught as a aprt of the Deposit fo Faith, and nen of it was considered binding on Catholcis except by administrative decree. The CHurhc has always held that she is capable of changing her own rpactices.
But Doctrinal teaching and dogma is a hwole other matter.
The teahcign abou the sacramental office of he Prietshood has been infallabley defined by Churhc counsils and cannot be Changed. Thats the point you miss.
The truth is, the Cahtolic CHurch is no simply a political orginisaiton divide dinto Liberal and Conservitive Factoions, nor can the Catholic CHurch change her teachings.
The reaosn is because the Cathoic Churhc views said teachigns as Infallable. To change hem means that either truth is changable, which ts not, or that hey erred, which is not so.
As for sayign they Changed heir position numeorus times int he past, this isn't true either.
Oh sure, variosu thigns have changed, from the Liturgy, to administrative practices, to social stands made by the Churhc on secular matters, but on hting has never changed; the teaching of he CHurch.
You confuse the to great;y, and they aren't to be confused.
It doenst matter, for instance, that once Pries where allwoed to be married, as the Churhc doesn't teach as Doctrine Celibacy.That is a disipline.
It doesn't matter that the Liturgy once was the Tridentine and nwo the Novus Ordo ( The Tridentine is howeve rmakign a comeback) as that is liturgy.
It doesnt matter that the Church had this or that custo iint he past and now doesn't.
Oit doesn't even matte that men int he Churhc supported or resisted slavery.
None of that was ever taught as a aprt of the Deposit fo Faith, and nen of it was considered binding on Catholcis except by administrative decree. The CHurhc has always held that she is capable of changing her own rpactices.
But Doctrinal teaching and dogma is a hwole other matter.
The teahcign abou the sacramental office of he Prietshood has been infallabley defined by Churhc counsils and cannot be Changed. Thats the point you miss.
Post #42
ZAROVE, this thread on another site shows catholics who have a diffenrent opinion than you on how the Catholic Church works and how change within the Church takes place.
http://ncrcafe.org/node/1479
In Australia CatholicsSubmitted by Englishwoman on December 4, 2007 - 1:36pm.
In Australia Catholics concerned for the future of the Church as priest-numbers dwindle have recently been invited to sign a petition to their Bishops as follows:
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An appeal to the Australian Catholic Bishops to ordain priests for our parishes
To the Australian Catholic Bishops' Conference
We, the undersigned Australian Catholics, wish to express our support for our bishops who are preparing the Australian Catholic Church for new forms of ministry and leadership. We request the Australian Catholic Bishops Conference to place the following items on the agenda for their plenary meeting in November this year, 2007.
We ask that the Bishops:
Acknowledge that there is a major crisis in ministry within the Australian Catholic Church.
Acknowledge that there is no doctrinal or theological barrier to the ordination of married men. The Australian Church has already ordained married former Anglican priests.
Take practical steps toward ordaining suitably qualified married men.
Encourage a wide-ranging discussion of the role of women in ministry and in the authority structures of the Church, including the question of womens ordination.
Establish appropriate scriptural, theological and pastoral training programs (campus, distance and online) to prepare suitable women and men for ministry. These candidates should have the recommendation of their parishes and communities, and should participate in mentored pastoral work.
Invite priests who have left the ministry to return to active priesthood, subject to negotiation with the local bishop.
We do this because of our growing concern that three serious issues are putting the future of the Catholic Church in Australia at risk:
The increasingly acute shortage of suitable priests to maintain our Mass-centred, Eucharistic spirituality and the celebration of the other sacraments;
The increasing drift of young people from the Church because of the difficulties we face in our ministry to them;
The lack of full leadership roles for women.
(Anyone signing this petition who would be willing to seek written signatures from people without email, please contact the authors at fpurcellmcmedia.com.au)
Sincerely,
The Undersigned
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This petition gained over 16,000 signatures, although many women reportedly refused to sign, saying, "They won't take any notice." But the Australian Bishops accepted the petition on their agenda for discussion and have now declared their intention to continue discussing the topic. In the northern hemisphere the Dutch Dominicans raised similar concerns, faced as they are with too few priests for the current needs of today's church. Of course, if large numbers of the "faithful" - (we all know that the "faithful" are LAYfolk, not clerics), discontinue active involvement in the Church, for whatever reason, then the priest shortage will be temporary, soon to be matched by a discouraged slim remnant of laity, re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.
http://ncrcafe.org/node/1479
Thanks Zarove, God Will to you. God Bless You my friend.
Religious peace--brotherhood and sisterhood--can never exist unless all religions are willing to completely divest themselves of all ecclesiastical authority and fully surrender all concept of spiritual sovereignty. God alone is spirit sovereign.
The political sovereignty of representative world wide humankind government will bring lasting peace on earth, and the spiritual brotherhood and sisterhood of humanity will forever insure good will among all people. And there is no other way whereby peace on earth and good will among humans can be realized.
http://ncrcafe.org/node/1479
In Australia CatholicsSubmitted by Englishwoman on December 4, 2007 - 1:36pm.
In Australia Catholics concerned for the future of the Church as priest-numbers dwindle have recently been invited to sign a petition to their Bishops as follows:
++++++++++++++++
An appeal to the Australian Catholic Bishops to ordain priests for our parishes
To the Australian Catholic Bishops' Conference
We, the undersigned Australian Catholics, wish to express our support for our bishops who are preparing the Australian Catholic Church for new forms of ministry and leadership. We request the Australian Catholic Bishops Conference to place the following items on the agenda for their plenary meeting in November this year, 2007.
We ask that the Bishops:
Acknowledge that there is a major crisis in ministry within the Australian Catholic Church.
Acknowledge that there is no doctrinal or theological barrier to the ordination of married men. The Australian Church has already ordained married former Anglican priests.
Take practical steps toward ordaining suitably qualified married men.
Encourage a wide-ranging discussion of the role of women in ministry and in the authority structures of the Church, including the question of womens ordination.
Establish appropriate scriptural, theological and pastoral training programs (campus, distance and online) to prepare suitable women and men for ministry. These candidates should have the recommendation of their parishes and communities, and should participate in mentored pastoral work.
Invite priests who have left the ministry to return to active priesthood, subject to negotiation with the local bishop.
We do this because of our growing concern that three serious issues are putting the future of the Catholic Church in Australia at risk:
The increasingly acute shortage of suitable priests to maintain our Mass-centred, Eucharistic spirituality and the celebration of the other sacraments;
The increasing drift of young people from the Church because of the difficulties we face in our ministry to them;
The lack of full leadership roles for women.
(Anyone signing this petition who would be willing to seek written signatures from people without email, please contact the authors at fpurcellmcmedia.com.au)
Sincerely,
The Undersigned
+++++++++++++++++++
This petition gained over 16,000 signatures, although many women reportedly refused to sign, saying, "They won't take any notice." But the Australian Bishops accepted the petition on their agenda for discussion and have now declared their intention to continue discussing the topic. In the northern hemisphere the Dutch Dominicans raised similar concerns, faced as they are with too few priests for the current needs of today's church. Of course, if large numbers of the "faithful" - (we all know that the "faithful" are LAYfolk, not clerics), discontinue active involvement in the Church, for whatever reason, then the priest shortage will be temporary, soon to be matched by a discouraged slim remnant of laity, re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.
http://ncrcafe.org/node/1479
Thanks Zarove, God Will to you. God Bless You my friend.
Religious peace--brotherhood and sisterhood--can never exist unless all religions are willing to completely divest themselves of all ecclesiastical authority and fully surrender all concept of spiritual sovereignty. God alone is spirit sovereign.
The political sovereignty of representative world wide humankind government will bring lasting peace on earth, and the spiritual brotherhood and sisterhood of humanity will forever insure good will among all people. And there is no other way whereby peace on earth and good will among humans can be realized.
