Abortion and Marriage

[jcrawford]

What if abortions were kept legal within the reproductive and privacy rights granted in marriage only, and then only with consent of both spouses? If singles want either a child or an abortion, they would have to get parental consent or married, or would be considered married by the state, in either eventuality.

This way, all reproductive decisions would be made privately, by the parties concerned, and would be no one's else's business at all.

How would that play out in different scenarios, from a Christian or non-Christian POV?

[jcrawford]

All the abortion centers is the US are run by atheists, secularists and secular Jews. You won't find a cross hanging on the wall in any of them.

Let's take this unsupported assertion at face value for now but reserve the right to ask you to substantiate this later. The example of one single abortion center in the US not run by atheists, secularists or secular Jews would invalidate your assertion. However, since secularist could mean anyone who believes that governments should be neutral with regard to religion, then the majority of Americans are secularists and your assertion is just empty rhetoric.

Empty rethoric from an atheistic and secular POV maybe, but not from a religious or theological POV. Since you can't show me one abortion mill run by Roman Catholic or Protestant doctors, it is safe to assume that they are all owned and operated by secular atheists and Jews. Even the president of Planned Parenthood is a secular Jew.

That's why I am calling on all Jewish, Muslim and Catholic politicians in the US to demand the religious identification of all abortion clinic owners and operators which advertise and cater to white and black American Protestants.

Is there any abortion clinic that advertises and caters specifically to white or black American Protestants?

By advertising in public though, abortion clinics cater to white and black American Protestant minors.

Why should any abortion clinic be required to provide religious identification?

Same as a private hospital in offering a community service. Consumers have a right to know their clinics or doctor's religious affiliation.

[jcrawford]

With all due respect to your lengthy post in response to the above, there is no public evidence that any teenage or adult Christian woman in the US has ever signed an 'informed consent agreement' to have her baby aborted by an atheistic feminist or a secular Jewish doctor.

Now, lets examine why that might be.

• Medical records are private.

They are and should be available to government investigators in cases of medical malpractices, Medicaid fraud, billing fraud and many other health and sanitary issues.

Medical consent forms do not include the patient's religion. Religion is a private concern.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_fact2.htm

Doctors should not have to keep track of and enforce various religious rules.

Doctors should have the courtesy to refer Jewish girls to Jewish abortionists, Protestant ladies to Protestant abortionists and Catholic women to Catholic abortuaries. If they don't show this courtesy and repect for women's religious preferences, the government should cancel their licenses.

Medial consent may concern itself with the medical qualifications of the practitioner to do the procedure, but not the religion.

Who's writing the rules?

It matters not whether the doctor is an atheistic feminist, a secular Jew, a practicing Wiccan or a liberal Anglican. What matters is that the patient consents to the treatment and the doctor is qualified to perform it.

What Jewess in her right mind would go to a Wiccan or Anglican abortionist?

[Wyvern]

They are and should be available to government investigators in cases of medical malpractices, Medicaid fraud, billing fraud and many other health and sanitary issues.

Medical records are in fact available to investigators with the consent of the patients

Doctors should have the courtesy to refer Jewish girls to Jewish abortionists, Protestant ladies to Protestant abortionists and Catholic women to Catholic abortuaries. If they don't show this courtesy and repect for women's religious preferences, the government should cancel their licenses.

I dont understand how a doctors religion has any bearing on treatment. What next are you going to start advocating different restrooms for different religions, separate drinking fountains for all the religions, and of course they'd have to wear armbands or maybe tattoos to identify which religion they are. If this is a supposed courtesy why would their medical licenses be revoked, only a government goon would call a coercive policy like this a courtesy

What Jewess in her right mind would go to a Wiccan or Anglican abortionist?

Maybe one that was more concerned about getting better quality, I dont know about you but when I see a doctor the first thing on my mind isn't which religion does he/she belong to in fact if that is you are wasting the doctors time because you aren't that sick.

[Cathar1950]

What Jewess in her right mind would go to a Wiccan or Anglican abortionist?

You are just being silly now jcrawford. Are you saying Abortion is ok if they go to a doctor of their own faith? Being a drunkard is ok if your drinking with other bible-believers. Adultery is ok if you are both Christians. Thanks for the morning laugh.

[McCulloch]

Doctors should not have to keep track of and enforce various religious rules.

Doctors should have the courtesy to refer Jewish girls to Jewish abortionists, Protestant ladies to Protestant abortionists and Catholic women to Catholic abortuaries. If they don't show this courtesy and repect for women's religious preferences, the government should cancel their licenses.

Why? Should Protestant or Atheist butchers be required by law to inquire about the religion of each of their customers and refer any Jewish or Muslim clients to a Kosher or Halal colleague? But wait, you take it even a step further. Maybe all butchers should be required by law to inquire about the religion of the spouse of any female customer and refer any clients married to a Jew or Muslim to a Kosher or Halal colleague and refuse to serve them without written permission from their spouse!

Who's writing the rules?

In a democracy, the elected representatives of the people are writing the rules. Thankfully the kind of rules you suggest are unlikely to win popular approval.

It matters not whether the doctor is an atheistic feminist, a secular Jew, a practicing Wiccan or a liberal Anglican. What matters is that the patient consents to the treatment and the doctor is qualified to perform it.

What Jewess in her right mind would go to a Wiccan or Anglican abortionist?

What person in their right mind would think that a doctor's religious affiliation could have any positive effect on the skill or competency of the doctor?

[McCulloch]

Consumers have a right to know their clinics or doctor's religious affiliation.

Where is this right stated? Is it in the constitution? Has a law been passed? Is it stated in the Bible? The Qu'ran? Did God whisper in your ear?
Is there anyone else, on record, who agrees with you that this is a bona fide right? Who are they? Never mind about the last question, I probably do not want to know about them. Unless they are elected or appointed officials in government, executive, legislative or judicial.

[jcrawford]

Doctors should have the courtesy to refer Jewish girls to Jewish abortionists, Protestant ladies to Protestant abortionists and Catholic women to Catholic abortuaries. If they don't show this courtesy and repect for women's religious preferences, the government should cancel their licenses.

I dont understand how a doctors religion has any bearing on treatment.

In cases of abortion though, a priest, rabbi or iman should be present to conduct last rites and proper burial ceremonies.

I dont know about you but when I see a doctor the first thing on my mind isn't which religion does he/she belong to in fact if that is you are wasting the doctors time because you aren't that sick.

Exactly. The women getting the abortions aren't sick at all. It's the atheistic and secular doctors performing them who are sick. That's why all abortion clinics for Jews, Christians and Muslims should be properly identified, religiously.

[jcrawford]

What Jewess in her right mind would go to a Wiccan or Anglican abortionist?

You are just being silly now jcrawford. Are you saying Abortion is ok if they go to a doctor of their own faith? Being a drunkard is ok if your drinking with other bible-believers. Adultery is ok if you are both Christians. Thanks for the morning laugh.

I just don't think that Jewish doctors should be aborting Catholic, Protestant and Muslim woman or that Catholic doctors should be aborting Protestant, Muslim or Jewish woman.

As far a I know, no Christian doctors are aborting Jewish or Muslim women. I know of a couple of Jewish abortionists though.

[jcrawford]

Doctors should not have to keep track of and enforce various religious rules.

Doctors should have the courtesy to refer Jewish girls to Jewish abortionists, Protestant ladies to Protestant abortionists and Catholic women to Catholic abortuaries. If they don't show this courtesy and repect for women's religious preferences, the government should cancel their licenses.

Why? Should Protestant or Atheist butchers be required by law to inquire about the religion of each of their customers and refer any Jewish or Muslim clients to a Kosher or Halal colleague? But wait, you take it even a step further. Maybe all butchers should be required by law to inquire about the religion of the spouse of any female customer and refer any clients married to a Jew or Muslim to a Kosher or Halal colleague and refuse to serve them without written permission from their spouse!

I don't think you need to take it that far or to even identify the butcher or abortion customer religiously at all, since the Kosher or Halal butcher's religious certification is usually on display for all to see, even if each cut of meat isn't religiously certified.

So a little Star of David or crucifix on the wall would do nicely in abortion clinics but even they wouldn't be necessary as long as the INFORMED CONSENT FORM TO PERFORM ABORTION highlights the religion of the abortion clinic owner and operator, and the patient acknowledges the abortionists religion in writing.

Who's writing the rules?

In a democracy, the elected representatives of the people are writing the rules. Thankfully the kind of rules you suggest are unlikely to win popular approval.

That's only because the people have no religious representation in your kind of government. No taxation for education without religious representation, I say.

What person in their right mind would think that a doctor's religious affiliation could have any positive effect on the skill or competency of the doctor?

Knowing they were in the hands of an abortionist of their own relgious faith, background and belief system would have a positive and reassuring effect of the poor woman about to be aborted. She should also have the right to have religious representation, counsel and comfort of her choice during time spent in the abortion chamber.

[jcrawford]

Consumers have a right to know their clinics or doctor's religious affiliation.

Where is this right stated? Is it in the constitution? Has a law been passed? Is it stated in the Bible? The Qu'ran? Did God whisper in your ear?
Is there anyone else, on record, who agrees with you that this is a bona fide right? Who are they? Never mind about the last question, I probably do not want to know about them. Unless they are elected or appointed officials in government, executive, legislative or judicial.

You make me laugh with your government officials. I suppose you need certified government approval to take a breath of fresh air or to buy some Halal or Kosher meat.