Is Hillary Clinton "Untrustworthy?"

[Tired of the Nonsense]

While Bill Clinton was still governor of Arkansas, before I really even had a clear idea of who the Clinton's are, someone told me a particularly obscene Hillary Clinton joke. Why are people telling obscene jokes about this woman I am barely aware of, this woman who is after all the WIFE of a politician and not even (then) running for office herself, I wondered? That is the extent of the character assassination of Hillary Clinton that has been occurring for more than 30 years now. Why? Apparently because she has the audacity to have thoughts, ideas and opinions of her own. Clearly she is NOT the Republican ideal of what a woman and wife should be. Hillary Clinton is everything Republicans hate. An intelligent well educated AMBITIOUS woman. How dare she!

Here is a list of the various "offences" that Republicans have charged Hillary with over the years.

1. When she was first lady, she murdered White House lawyer Vince Foster and then dumped his body in a park.
2. She drove Vince Foster to commit suicide through her temper tantrums.
3. She was having an affair with Vince Foster.
4. She’s a lesbian.
5. Chelsea isn’t Bill Clinton’s child.
6. She murdered Vince Foster to cover up that she once bought a tract of undeveloped land in Arkansas and lost money.
7. She murdered Vince Foster to cover up her role in firing the White House travel department.
8. After she murdered Vince Foster, she ransacked his office in the middle of the night and stole all the documents proving her guilt.
9. When Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas, she was a partner in the state’s top law firm, and it sometimes did work involving the state government.
10. She once invested in commodities futures on the advice of a friend and made $100,000, proving she’s a crook.
11. She once invested in real estate on the advice of another friend and lost $100,000, also proving she’s a crook.
12. Unnamed and unverifiable sources have told Peggy Noonan things about the Clintons that are simply too terrible to repeat.
13. The personnel murdered at Benghazi make her the first secretary of state to lose overseas personnel to terrorism — apart from Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Madeleine Albright, George Schultz, Dean Rusk and some others.
14. Four State Department staff were murdered at Benghazi, compared with only 119 others murdered overseas under every secretary of state combined since World War II.
15. She illegally sent classified emails from her personal server, except that apparently they weren’t classified at the time.
16. She may have cynically wriggled around the email law by “technically� complying with it.
17. She once signed a lucrative book contract when she was a private citizen.
18. Donald Trump says she “should be in jail,� and he’s a serial bankrupt casino developer in Atlantic City, so he should know.
19. Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay says his “law-enforcement sources� tell him she is “about to be indicted� — and if a man once convicted of money laundering and conspiracy doesn’t have good law-enforcement sources, who does?
20. She’s a hard-left radical who wants to break up the nuclear family.
21. She’s a conservative “mousewife� who refused to break up her own family.
22. She’s in favor of single moms.
23. She refused to be a single mom.
24. When she was first lady of Arkansas, she pandered to conservative voters by dyeing her hair.
25. Before that, she totally insulted them by refusing to.
26. She’s a frump.
27. She spends too much money on designer dresses.
28. She has “cankles.�
29. She has a grating voice.
30. She yells into the microphone.
31. She spent 18 years in Arkansas and some of the people she knew turned out to be crazy rednecks and crooks.
32. She’s in the pay of the mafia.
33. She’s in the pay of the Chinese government.
34. She’s in the pay of the Wall Street banks.
35. In order to suppress the billing records from her time at the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock, she cleverly packed them up and took them to the White House rather than shredding them.
36. When she handed over the documents to public officials, they couldn’t find any evidence she’d committed any crimes, so she must have doctored them.
37. Congress spent tens of millions of dollars and six years investigating her investment in the Whitewater real-estate project, and, while they didn’t actually find anything, they wouldn’t have spent all that money if there weren’t something there.
38. By cleverly hiding all evidence of her crimes in the Whitewater affair, she caused Congress to waste all that taxpayers’ money.
39. When she ran for senator of New York, she was still a fan of the Chicago Cubs.
40. She once said the Clintons were thinking of adopting a child, and they didn’t follow through.
41. She was photographed holding her hand near her mouth during the raid that killed Osama bin Laden.
42. She’s got brain damage.
43. She’s old.
44. She’s really ambitious and calculating, unlike all the other people running for president.
45. She secretly supported Palestinian terrorists, Puerto Rican terrorists and Guatemalan terrorists.
46. She secretly supported a group that wants to give Maine back to the Indians.
47. She’s a secret follower of “radical prophet� Saul Alinsky.
48. She did her law degree at Yale, and it’s a well-known “socialist finishing school.�
49. When she was young, she did things to build up her résumé rather than just for their own good.
50. When Bill was president, she “allowed� him to keep people waiting.
51. She’s married to a sex addict.
52. She’s an enemy of traditional marriage.
53. She didn’t divorce her husband.
54. His philandering is her fault because she is too strong, and too weak, and too frumpy, and too fat, and too cold.
55. She’s hostile to women who fool around with her husband.
56. A divorced taxi driver in Florida told me that if Hillary is elected president, “women will take over everything.�
57. She insulted Tammy Wynette.
58. When they left the White House, she and Bill bought a big house in New York that they couldn’t afford.
59. She sometimes calls her staff during dinner, even when they’re out at a restaurant.
60. She claimed there was a “vast right-wing conspiracy� against her husband, and it turned out there was nothing but a bunch of tycoons financing private investigators, and some fake think tanks and books and news sites and stuff.
61. When she got married, she didn’t “stay at home and bake cookies.�
62. She supported the Iraq war because she’s a secret foreign-policy conservative.
63. She’s a secret foreign-policy radical with a plan to impose worldwide “radical social experimentation� through the World Bank.
64. She is secretly plotting to let children sue their parents for making them take out the garbage.
65. She looked bored during the Benghazi hearings.

And yet she is still still walking around free? In actual fact, she has never actually been charged with a crime, much less convicted of anything. One would think that anyone THIS evil would have been hung, beheaded, drawn and quartered by now.

What do the polls indicate that Hillary Clinton's biggest negative is? That she is "untrustworthy." Given all of the untrue and plainly mean spirited vilification that has been heaped on her over the years, the fact that she is still standing on the public stage says a lot about her character. Given the unprecedented level of bile thrown at her for years now, most people would have packed it in long ago.

[Elijah John]

To many of us Hillary is a schemer, an extremist, a panderer and an opportunist. And a dishonest one at that.

And Trump isn't?

This is the part I have problems with. Trump supporters seem to think that Trump is some sort of angel who can do no wrong. Where do they get that impression?

Gotta say though, she is intelligent, articulate, well educated and (mostly) polite and civil. I'll give her that. She even has a good sense of humor, one on one. Seems to have been a great mother too.

Exactly. Everyone who obtain a power as great as being the president of the most powerful country on earth is necessarily going to need to be diplomatic.

Trump is dishonest too, no question. But still, Hillary bleaching her emails and having her devices smashed with hammers is deeply distrubing. What is she trying to hide?

Also, because I complimented Hillary on some things does not mean I endorse her policies in any way.

On the whole, I do not. I have gone into to more detail on the other thread, "Any Trump Supporters Still On Board"?

I STILL think Trump would be better for our country, given the choice.

Didn't think it was possible, but Hillary Clinton makes Donald Trump look good, by comparison.

Hillary even retreats from her husband's more moderate policies, like the crime bill.

Hillary Clinton is a relatively well-mannered left-wing extremist, but an extremist just the same.

Trump is a blustery moderate. More moderate than he comes accross sometimes. Some Republicans still oppose him for "not being conservative" enough!.

He must be doing something right!

[Strider324]

In light of Trumps most recent expose as a slobbering misogynist that feels entitled to fondle women, who here still wishes to champion this clueless frat boy? Who here would leave their daughter in a room with him?

[2Dbunk]

[Replying to post 3 by WinePusher]

She would expand free trade, she would most likely deregulate and lower taxes on all income brackets, she would govern as a centrist. So if you don't favor free trade, if want more financial regulation and higher taxes then maybe you should reconsider your support for her.

I believe your two above sentences contradict each other.

Given that the two candidates for president are liars and crooks, I would rather have an intelligent crook for president than one that is a dumb crook. For someone of Trump's oblique past (and present) to entertain notions of becoming leader of the free world is elevating dumbness to a new level. And anyone who votes for this disgusting orangutan is aiding and abetting dumbness.

I say disgusting because I have never heard anyone speak of women the way he does, and I've been in many locker rooms. Oh, I know there are men out there that say such things -- I just try to avoid them and their hyperbole. He talks about being a "star" and "stars can get away with [groping]" but how many stars do you know that would say or consider doing what he claims to have done to women? Offhand I can't think of a one. No Jimmy Stewart or George Clooney here. Mel Gibson approached it with his hateful statements of Jews. And Chuck Norris has shown outward hate of Atheists, but then, neither of them are running for president!

[Donray]

We have two people that are not qualified and yet are running for president.

I can't figure who is worse. Both despicable. One a socialist (and look at Venezuela how a socialist president did). And the other I don't know what he is (at least he doesn't lie).

The Christians ruined the Republican party. When is the Christian right going to learn that abortion and gays marriage is not a major issue if it is an issue at all.

[McCulloch]

One [Clinton is] a socialist (and look at Venezuela how a socialist president did).

Anyone who claims that Clinton is a Socialist really does not understand what socialism is.

[Talishi]

Anyone who claims that Clinton is a Socialist really does not understand what socialism is.

Yeah, socialism is when the government collects taxes and then uses it to build bridges, roads, sewers, dams, schools and a military. Kind of like what we do now.

[Donray]

One [Clinton is] a socialist (and look at Venezuela how a socialist president did).

Anyone who claims that Clinton is a Socialist really does not understand what socialism is.

My definition is as follows:

"The term "socialism" was created by Henri de Saint-Simon, one of the founders of what would later be labelled "utopian socialism". Simon coined "socialism" as a contrast to the liberal doctrine of "individualism", which stressed that people act or should act as if they are in isolation from one another.[46] The original "utopian" socialists condemned liberal individualism for failing to address social concerns during the industrial revolution, including poverty, social oppression, and gross inequalities in wealth; viewing liberal individualism as degenerating society into supporting selfish egoism that harmed community life through promoting a society based on competition.[46] They presented socialism as an alternative to liberal individualism based on the shared ownership of resources, although their proposals for socialism differed significantly. Saint-Simon proposed economic planning, scientific administration, and the application of modern scientific advancements to the organization of society; by contrast, Robert Owen proposed the organization of production and ownership in cooperatives."

Examples:

Obamacare is a socialist program where the government is controlling health care.

Control of production through the government use of taxation and or "rebates". Such as controlling car production by incentives to buy hybrid or electric cars.

Unequal taxation where the richer you are the greater percent of income is taxed at a higher rate. Hilary has said tax the rich to provide more social program for the poor.

Controlling production by taxing carbon. This is a control of individual rights. Hilary like Obama wants to tax to control.

[Monta]

[Replying to post 23 by Donray]


"The Christians ruined the Republican party. When is the Christian right going to learn that abortion and gays marriage is not a major issue if it is an issue at all."

Today I listened to Trump/Hillary debate.

Neither Christianity or abortion or gay marriage was mentioned.

[Divine Insight]

[Replying to post 23 by Donray]


"The Christians ruined the Republican party. When is the Christian right going to learn that abortion and gays marriage is not a major issue if it is an issue at all."

Today I listened to Trump/Hillary debate.

Neither Christianity or abortion or gay marriage was mentioned.

How in the world could Donald Trump run on "Christian Values" at this stage of the game? He's already in an all-out war trying to prove that he's no worse of a pervert than Bill Clinton. The video that exposed him showed that he was not only talking about sexually molesting women but he was talking about sexually molesting MARRIED women whilst he himself was MARRIED.

So now you expect him to be running on "Christian Values"? I don't think he would be wise to bring up Christian values at this point in his campaign.

You want trump to renounce gay marriage in the name of Christianity whilst he's hitting on married women to cheat on his own wife? How hypocritical would that be?

And I'm personally deeply offended by the claim that this is just "normal" locker room banter between men. That's also grossly false. This is not "normal". Rudy Giuliani just tried to defend Trump by suggesting that this is just what men do. I was really glad when the reporter who was interviewing him was quick to point out that it's not "normal" for him. I agree. It's not normal for me either. I don't condone infidelity, and I don't condone talking about women as though they are just a piece of meat to be grabbed by their genitals.

That's perverted, disgusting, and far below my moral values and I'm not even a religious person. If Trump, or Rudy Giuliani, or any "Christians" think that this is normal behavior, then all I can say is shame on them.

It's bad enough that Bill Clinton was a sex pervert and we discovered that AFTER he was president. But now Trump is basically arguing that since Bill was a sex pervert it must be OK for future presidents to be sex perverts too!

Sorry, but that's baloney. It's pretty sick that we have someone running for the presidency who is trying to argue that he NO DIFFERENT from Bill Clinton! If that's the case then he should drop out of the race right now.

And besides, it's not Bill Clinton who's running for President, it's Hillary Clinton. So pointing out the personality failures of Bill Clinton is a moot point anyway.

All Trump is basically doing is pleading with the American people to allow another sex pervert in the Oval Office. Is that a valid argument for a presidential campaign?

I think not.

And now you want Trump to run on "Christian morality"? You've got to be kidding.

[Talishi]

It's bad enough that Bill Clinton was a sex pervert and we discovered that AFTER he was president. But now Trump is basically arguing that since Bill was a sex pervert it must be OK for future presidents to be sex perverts too!

"That tape was ten years ago. Trump has changed," say people who believe Old Testament views on homosexuality, written 2,500 years ago, are still applicable today to Gentiles.