Christian Politics

[jcrawford]

As a Christian statesman, rather than churchman, I would claim that Christian citizens can freely exercise their constitutional and God-given rights to free religious speech and free exercise of religion within both church and state assemblies here in America, if not anywhere else in the world.

I'm sure there may be a few posters on this political forum who may disagree with, and object to, such a Christian political claim in their state and city government. However, I am willing to prove that they would have no more right to speak freely in government than a Christian statesman does, if they deny him his God-given and constitutional right to speak religiously and to exercise and express his religious beliefs and opinions in state government.

[micatala]

Hmmm. OK. If you are saying 'advocating for abortions' is different than 'advocating for women having the right to choose to have an abortion' I'll let you off the hook.

I was expressing self-evident religious beliefs which apparently you refuse to accept without "evidence."

So you are saying that as part of your religion, you hold it as a matter of faith that atheist secularists and feminists are powerful enough to be forcing are have forced the U.S. to become a socialist country?

I'm sure George Bush would find this religious belief quite interesting. Has he been informed of the socialist takeover yet?

I guess that as long as you admit that you have no evidence for this belief I will not worry about debating the point further.

[jcrawford]

Hmmm. OK. If you are saying 'advocating for abortions' is different than 'advocating for women having the right to choose to have an abortion' I'll let you off the hook.

I wasn't on it.

I was expressing self-evident religious beliefs which apparently you refuse to accept without "evidence."

So you are saying that as part of your religion, you hold it as a matter of faith that atheist secularists and feminists are powerful enough to be forcing are have forced the U.S. to become a socialist country?

The creeping government socialism we have witnessed since the days of FDR has basically been secular.

I'm sure George Bush would find this religious belief quite interesting. Has he been informed of the socialist takeover yet?

He was born into and grew up in it. I suppose you might say he is now attempting to reintroduce the Social Gospel of William Jennings Bryan without establishing a national church. With all his Christian advisors, he knows more about this stuff than either of us.

I guess that as long as you admit that you have no evidence for this belief I will not worry about debating the point further.

No need to worry about anything, is my motto.

[Cephus]

Ever since 1960, your secular SCOTUS has blown our Christian patooties right out of the schoolhouse door.

I'm sorry, were you confused about the purpose of schools? They exist to educate, not indoctrinate. The Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims have no place in a classroom either.

So let's try again, show us where the secular society has actually harmed your ability to practice your own religion. Go ahead, we'll wait.

[jcrawford]

Ever since 1960, your secular SCOTUS has blown our Christian patooties right out of the schoolhouse door.

I'm sorry, were you confused about the purpose of schools? They exist to educate, not indoctrinate. The Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims have no place in a classroom either.

Sorry, the public schools did a better job of educating students before Christian teachers were gagged and censored by seccies during the past 50 years. Interesting that you think Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims have no place in the classroom either, but secular indoctrination by Jews does.

[McCulloch]

Interesting that you think Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims have no place in the classroom either, but secular indoctrination by Jews does.

Moderator Caution
You are at risk for sounding like an anti-semite with that comment. One could imply that you are of the opinion that secular indoctrination in the public school system (a bad thing in your view) is the result of Jewish influence in the public sphere. I would suggest that you should be more careful.

[Cephus]

Sorry, the public schools did a better job of educating students before Christian teachers were gagged and censored by seccies during the past 50 years. Interesting that you think Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims have no place in the classroom either, but secular indoctrination by Jews does.

Judiasm shouldn't be taught in school either. Now if you'd like to show us where this grand Zionist conspiracy is being taught in public schools, go ahead, otherwise we'll just laugh at you (as usual) and your silly anti-semitic paranoia.

[jcrawford]

Interesting that you think Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims have no place in the classroom either, but secular indoctrination by Jews does.

Moderator Caution
You are at risk for sounding like an anti-semite with that comment. One could imply that you are of the opinion that secular indoctrination in the public school system (a bad thing in your view) is the result of Jewish influence in the public sphere. I would suggest that you should be more careful.

Sorry. I was just trying to highlight Cephus's bigoted exclusion of "Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims having no place in the classroom," and his not including secular Jews in his exculsionary and discriminatory ideology against teachers of other faiths than his own.

Since Jesus was Jewish and the Arabs are of Semitic descent, I would suggest and maintain that non-Christian atheists and secularists who practice medical abortions on Jews, Muslims and Christians are some of the most anti-Semitic people around.

[jcrawford]

Sorry, the public schools did a better job of educating students before Christian teachers were gagged and censored by seccies during the past 50 years. Interesting that you think Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims have no place in the classroom either, but secular indoctrination by Jews does.

Judiasm shouldn't be taught in school either.

Why not? It is a form of religious discrimination to prohibit the teaching of Judaism in public schools.

Now if you'd like to show us where this grand Zionist conspiracy is being taught in public schools, go ahead, otherwise we'll just laugh at you (as usual) and your silly anti-semitic paranoia.

You just finished advocating that "Judaism shouldn't be taught in school either."

What better evidence of a grand anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic conspiracy not to teach religion in public schools?

[micatala]

I think I have addressed this to some extent in the Christianity vs Democracy thread.

Suffice it to say the idea that not allowing Judaism to be taught in public schools is a form of religious discrimination is a very novel idea, and flies in the face of the Bill of Rights and long-standing legal precedent.

To say this is a grand conspiracy is even more far-fetched.

If we allowed some religions to be taught in public schools and not Judaism, then you might have a case for religious discrimination.

[jcrawford]

If we allowed some religions to be taught in public schools and not Judaism, then you might have a case for religious discrimination.

Barring any and all religions in government and public schools is a case of blatant religious discrimination and in violation of our Bill of Rights and our civil rights, the SCOTUS notwithstanding.

Since when do secular atheists, sexists and racists have all the rights in government and public schools?