Seperation of sex and state.

[AlAyeti]

Should the govenrnemt be in position to decide sexual matters or define what is and what isn't acceptable in regards to privately practiced sex acts?

Unless the issue is with children living at home and under the authority and responsibility of their parents, should "Government" be excluded from being involved in the sexual practices of individuals?

What a person chooses to do in private should stay in private as long as it is not an illegal behavior. Should laws be passed giving "cultural status" and cultural recognition to an individual under the label of a "Culture" if it is private and independent behavior defined by individuality and not birth ethnicity?

Much is made of the personal choice of religion, and how that effects a persons way of viewing society, but nothing is more personal than sexual behavior in regards to how it effects a persons views on his or her in society. All people engage in commonly occuring sex acts no matter their ethnic or country of origin. Can an individual sexual practice be embraced by a group of people and then be elevated to an exclusive cultural indentity?

Why should leguslative governemt be in the business to define a persons civil rights by their sexual behavior?

If government becomes involved in defining personal rights practiced in private, should the people vote or be allowed to amend the laws that govern society as a means to define and/or re-redefine societal norms practiced in private and between "Consenting Adults?"

Or should government be seperated from sexuality and have nothing to say about an adult persons private behavior?

[AlAyeti]

Magus,

As long as you stake your claims on anti-Bilical grounds, you are welcome to your positions. But promiscuity in homosexual behavior IS part of their orientation. The numbers of multiple sexual partners is never discouraged in that lifestyle choice, rather it is encourage by the ubiquitous call for condom use as some kind of wierd moral choice.

You state you are a Christian. Yet, have no ground to promote your position in that position, other than allowing sin to be OK, and celebrated.

"Go and sin no more?"

How does that fit your views as a Christian?

What does "repent" mean to your "Liberal" Christian views. Certainly you take a conservative stance on slaves being equal to all Christians everywhere.

Why be so permissive to sexual deviance?

Otherwise the bad that comes from divorce is just another position and not empirical. Which of course it is.

Did you ever think that satan had to destroy the "family" before further abominations would be OK?

Certainly empiricism lends support to satan being effective. Now, men can marry men, AND raise children in that "family." likewise of course the convoluted "family" of female homosexuals.

How can a "Christian" justify that?

Without allowing sin to be celebrated?

[The Persnickety Platypus]

How can a "Christian" justify that?

By accepting that he/she is not granted the Biblical right to forcibly conform unbelievers to Christian principles.

Practicing homosexuality is a sin. That is no argument. But what can we do about it, besides urge those to discontinue its practice?

Everyone mentioned in the Bible is given a free decision. Obey, or disobey. Believe, or disbelieve. They are given a choice, and warned of the consequences. The path they choose to follow from there is entirely of their own discretion.

What does free will mean to you?

[AlAyeti]

Good question. I not even once am forcing people to change. I only present sound reasons to opoose the sexualization of our youth and society without a fight (debate).

Homosexual agendaists do not want "equality." They want rule and dominance. Anyone that opposes or questions their actions is humorously labeled a bigot. As if the peole opposing them didn't know what's going on sexually.

"Questioning Youth" has been tagged onnto the "Culural" claims. That is pedophilia and yet, so many claim that homosexuals are not pederasts. History shows that they are.

I present my views no differtently than Paul. Though I am not led by his commision for sure. Just common sense guides my opposition to the homosexualization of the masses.

It is legalizing insanity and in the Biblical opinion, it is grasping demons.

Look at what has gotten us to the point of legalizing homosexual "marriage." The complete and utter destruction of "family" through sexual hedonism (gay culture for sure) rivaling annything Greece and Sodom had to offer.

You alwyas get some ignorant pinhead comparing "divorced people" to the sanctity of "same -sex marriage."

Two wrongs making a right is satanic. And in the eyes of logic, it is insanity.

Either way, I side with Aristotle on homosexualizing society.

Look him up.

Oh yeah, as a Christian, I cannot ever decide sinning is OK or a "civil right" I can vote for. I can only pray for those that do will eventually repent and stop. Only God can change hearts and minds.

Thank God for Abraham's math.

Too bad Sodom didn't add up.

[MagusYanam]

"Go and sin no more?"

How does that fit your views as a Christian?

Read the story. It 'fits my views' in that I am responsible for my own sin and must deal charitably with others. Adultery is harmful; promiscuity is harmful - what I can do as a Christian if a neighbour of mine is affected by it is to aid them and encourage them to do the right thing and deal with the consequences responsibly. I cannot dictate their lives, nor can I judge them or condemn them - that is God's place.

Certainly you take a conservative stance on slaves being equal to all Christians everywhere.

Why do you say that? Slaves are of equal worth to the rest of us - no Jew nor Greek, nor free nor slave. I don't see how you can say otherwise.

Homosexual agendaists do not want "equality." They want rule and dominance.

If you can't back an assertion with evidence, then don't make it. If you have any proof of this, go ahead and post it.

That is pedophilia and yet, so many claim that homosexuals are not pederasts. History shows that they are.

Paedophilia and paederasty (if you're going to keep using these words as often as you do in a normal day, you may as well start spelling them correctly) are separate from homosexuality - not all paederasts are homosexual and not all homosexuals are paederasts. This is fact straight from the criminological demographics.

Look at what has gotten us to the point of legalizing homosexual "marriage." The complete and utter destruction of "family" through sexual hedonism

And yet, look where I am. I'm the elder son of a functional family whose mother and father have been married to each other for almost 25 years now and still love each other and both of their children very much. Our family hasn't been destroyed by sexual hedonism. As far as my parents' marriage is concerned, nor they nor I could care less whether or not homosexuals can marry.

Try again.

Oh yeah, as a Christian, I cannot ever decide sinning is OK or a "civil right" I can vote for.

No Democrat argues that way. Sin is not a civil right, but all sinners are entitled to civil rights. Otherwise, we'd none of us have them.

[AlAyeti]

Magus,

(Please allow me a moment of pride for not being able to spell the raping of children in its more correct historical form. Pederast and pedohillia is also acceptable. But the history is all to accurate)

Good post though. But, your family has escaped what 50% of all others have grasped.

What has caused such a large number of shattered families?

Also you do not see the satanic for what it is. Family and marriage has been destroyed for a reason. And now you comfortably embrace Sodomy.

And seem unaware of why and how.

If we are Christians debating, then Satan is real and evil is real.

Is that not correct?

Which side of evil is the destruction of and redefinition of "family" dwell on?

It does seem that you "vote" for evil to take equality with goodness.

[MagusYanam]

Family and marriage has been destroyed for a reason. And now you comfortably embrace Sodomy.

And seem unaware of why and how.

My family hasn't been destroyed. My parents' marriage hasn't been destroyed. I don't know of any couple whose family or marriage has been destroyed by this issue, in fact. Sodomy seems to have little or nothing to do with what we're discussing here, but you're wrong if you think 'not caring' and 'comfortably embracing' are the same thing.

And you seem unaware of why and how.

If we are Christians debating, then Satan is real and evil is real.

Of course, but Satan still has no more power speaking through you than he has otherwise to make me believe something that isn't true.

My family's definition hasn't been redefined. Are fifty percent of the families in this country so fragile that some legal definition is going to break them apart? If that's the case, it's a pretty pathetic little factoid.

[juliod]

Family and marriage has been destroyed for a reason.

By christians, for whatever reason they had at the time.

Who legalized divorce? Predominantly christian legislators.

Who gave women the vote? Who passed the 14th Amendment? Again, predominantly christian legislators.

Who has premarital sex, adultery within marriage, and remarriage after unbiblical divorce? In the US it is mostly christians.

I don't care about marriage. But you do. So feel free to blame yourself and your coreligionists for whatever state you see marriage in right now.

I would think you would be relieved that gays want to marry. At least someone is taking it seriously. Certainly not the christians....

Edited to add:

"Comfortable"... "sodomy".... Tee hee hee


DanZ

[AlAyeti]

Dan,

When you're right you're right.

Can non-Christians repent?

No.

Are they like Sodomites now?

Yes.

The point is that sex should be a private matter. And that mariage is already defined perfectly. You prove that. You are an Atheist and trying to convince you of the facts of satanic influence is not possible. You still think that everything started by a bump in the dark. And that is not a sexual inuendo, just a point of fact that you cannot see the truth yet.

Same-sex marriage is forced on the populace by an intolerant bunch of sexual deviants forcing their independent lifestyle choices onto society.

Also family is defined perfectly as well. Yet, it seems even that it can be undone if you get enough sexually deviant PhD's leading the education of our youth.

Why does "Progressive" mean going backwards in time to Sodom?

[palmera]

The numbers of multiple sexual partners is never discouraged in that lifestyle choice, rather it is encourage by the ubiquitous call for condom use as some kind of wierd moral choice.

This is a ridiculous statement. Aside from the fact that after rooming with a gay male who had a closed and committed relationship (meaning seriously discouraging "multiple sex partners") for two years, I can personally say from experience that your statement is blatantly hateful and wrong- why do you say such things you have no knowledge of? How can you make such a blanket statement? Not only is it hateful here, it's just not good debating.

Did you ever think that satan had to destroy the "family" before further abominations would be OK?

I wonder if you consider a direct correlation between the destruction of "family" with the rise of the gay agenda. It seems clear that you do from many things that you've written. But I wonder at it because it doesn't make any sense. As Juliod pointed out, professedly heterosexual Christians account for the largest proportion of failed marriages and torn apart homes in America... LGBTs have nothing to do with that.

Homosexual agendaists do not want "equality." They want rule and dominance. Anyone that opposes or questions their actions is humorously labeled a bigot. As if the peole opposing them didn't know what's going on sexually.

You've made this argument so often; but in what way do they want to dominate? Has a gay woman/man run for president? Is there a secret gay army ready to take over America at just the right time? Can you even name off the top of your head LGBT activist leaders? Could you even dredge op one current gay activist leader from memory? This is silly- gays want rights the same way African Americans wanted rights, the same way women wanted rights: LGBTs are on the margins of society no matter how scarry they are to you or how powerful you make them seem- they want to be protected equally by the law. Why should heterosexuals be given special privileges and tex exemptions through marriage but not let two people of the same sex who are in a committed relationship do the same. And as for being labeled a bigot- that's like saying someone who disagrees with african americans because they are black is being humorously named a racist. Are you kidding? The very definition of a bigot is one who doesn't tolerate others because of their lifestyle, beliefs, location in society. If you are openly( written, verbally, publicly) proclaiming intolerace (on whatever grounds) of another human being because their views/lifestyle is different than yours, then YES, you are a bigot. It's not funny or humorous!

[AlAyeti]

Palmera: "Can you even name off the top of your head LGBT activist leaders?"

Maybe the Director of the ACLU?

Anthony Romero maybe?

Talk about the most powerful anti-Christian homosexual activist in the world maybe?

Gee do ya think?