Why are gay people a Christian target?

[Colorado127]

I am perplexed by fundamentalist christians that are always targeting gay people. They want to pass all sorts of laws restricting rights and privileges that everyone else has. What frustrates me the most is that they seem to be tunnel-visioned on gays. There are many things in the christian bible that they could talk about. I bet you there are more adulterers in the US than gay people and adultery is a ten commandments topic. What about honoring your parents? Can we focus on that for a while? This gay marriage thing being a religious idea only? I know of several religions that encourage gay people to find partners to marry including Unity, Unitarian Universalists and the Quakers.

I believe that gay people are the target because the christian religion, or its higher ups, have nothing else to target? They have lost the battle with alcohol and porn, they used to say black people couldn't marry white people but can't do that anymore. They try to stop drugs but you can't pass any more laws about that. Ok I'm being a bit out there, but really, Christianity has been losing its control over its flock for decades, if not centuries. Every sociologist and psychology person can easily see that when someone or some group sees its former control waning they will do anything to regain it. It's a desparate act. These fundamentalist christians have to find something to rally the troops.....wha-laa!.....gay people. A marginalized group in our over masculinized, sports culture that many people feel uncomfortable with. From history, the Nazi's for example, we know that hate is an excellent way to mobilize a group.

Isn't it blatantly unconstitutional to forbid the marriage of two people? In Virginia they want to outlaw any 'marraige like' contracts between two people of the same sex, doesn't that seem unconstitutional? The sodomy laws that Chief Justice Souter condemned was obviously directed at gay men. The 14th amendments says no state shall pass a law abridging the rights of its citizens. The only people saying I cannot marry another guy is christians? Right there we have a church-state conflict.

Ok, let me have it!

[McCulloch]

From the beginning of John to the end of Revelation you cannot find support for any concept of same sex sex.

I freely admit that there is none.

Science has always been a support there. Physiology pats me on the back and makes sure I cannot be called a bigot for claiming homosexual sex acts as an aberration of function and, well, design.

But you cannot get science to support your position. As I have pointed out before, humans use our body parts for activities other than what the physiologist would say they are designed for. Most hetrosexual couples engage in some non-procreative sex. This should not be made illeagle.

I am not claiming to want to stop ADULT people from doing whatever they want to do, I do want to stop anyone from teaching sexually deviant behavior as a civil right.

No, it appears as if you want to teach our children to be intolerant of these rights.

[AlAyeti]

McCulloch,

Let's stay on the civil. I admit that I get insulting from time to time.

What human homosexuals choose to do is unfortunate for them "in my opinion." Nature does not condone homosexuality and I have a hard time believing that you can be a skeptic and "free thinker" and state that it does. Comparing the misappropriated usage of sexual body parts to heading a soccer ball is just not reasonable when it is compared to morality. Of course heading a soccer is an appropriate use of your head stated in the rules of the game of soccer. Same sex sex, is against the rules of the human body. Again, whether evolutionary or Biblical.

You know, you can, strike a soccer ball with your genitals. It does not violate the rules of soccer. But do you think "nature" will have anything to say about it?

Yes, I freely admit that somethings cannot be tolerated. I am intolerant at the classroom door of sexual perversion to be taught in an education setting as normal. To view the homosexual agenda as recruiting is at least as fair as claiming Christians want to proselytize in schools. As distasteful as that comparison is to me, I think it is fair in the larger scope of rational thinking.

If my neighbors are weird or kinky how would I know it? If I found out they were talking to my children about their private sex acts, I would urge them in no uncertain terms to cease and desist.

Don't ask, don't tell.

That is called decent behavior, unless it is from a pedophile or rapist to his or her victim. It is not bigotry in terms of PRIVATE choice behavior. Like you mentioned, sodomy is legal now. Yet, the Christians, have a hard time finding an open spot for a Christmas tree in the public square, without the pederast's favorite ACLU lawyers suing the city to stop the Christians.

C'mon man, do the math.

"Don't ask, don't tell," is being challenged as bigotry.

There is an "agenda."

Call me a "hypocrite" NOT a bigot, if I use the Bible against homosexuality. But once I use empiricism from the scientific/medical point of view, please give me ground for logic to dictate what is right and what is wrong.

[Cephus]

What human homosexuals choose to do is unfortunate for them "in my opinion." Nature does not condone homosexuality and I have a hard time believing that you can be a skeptic and "free thinker" and state that it does.

That's funny, since homosexuality among animals is very common. If you want to get technical, living in a house and using a computer are both unnatural, are you going to stop doing them?

No? Then stop whining about homosexuality being unnatural.

Yes, I freely admit that somethings cannot be tolerated. I am intolerant at the classroom door of sexual perversion to be taught in an education setting as normal. To view the homosexual agenda as recruiting is at least as fair as claiming Christians want to proselytize in schools. As distasteful as that comparison is to me, I think it is fair in the larger scope of rational thinking.

Cool, I get to be intolerant of primitive superstitions being taught as fact, right? There goes Christianity.

[AlAyeti]

cephus: "Cool, I get to be intolerant of primitive superstitions being taught as fact, right? There goes Christianity."

The religion that ushered in the "Common Era" and is the only one radically challenged on computers at this very moment?

Not a very un-primitive belief system.

What you are intolerant of is other people raising their children to be wary of perversion. Homosexuality always seems to find it justification in two places. "Other people get to do bad things too. What about divorce or adultery? And, "Unreasoning animals attempt homosexual sex acts on each other sometimes."

How can anyone claim to be searching for enlightenment of the human condition and allow immoral and beastly things to be allowed as grounds for improper and unnatural conduct to find a civil right to exist.

Facts are what the digestive system is designed for and what some deviants misuse it for. Unless we are talking trully primitive urges and then homosexuality can find its well earned (and well-worn) place among true definition.

For those that want to legitimize the homosexual agenda to something that can be viewed as logical for ratoinal thinking beings, is not ever going to be acheived. It may be forced on an unwilling populace by the powerful in high places, but that just proves the historical accuracy and veracity and not the "primitive" nature of the message in the Bible.

But, science is where homosexuality faces its harshest judge.

*Even a four-year old knows that a yellow peg doesn't go in the green hole. Empiricism is always the best guide to the truth.

*The analogy was softened out of decency. . .

It is clear from observable facts that Christianity is attacked by the homosexual agenda and that Christians have tried to defend thenselves and their children from the constant assault.

[melikio]

...it's easier to point fingers at others for their supposed 'sins' than it is to clean up your own house. Adultery is just swept under the rug because it's too close to home for a lot of them.

This sums up not everything, but a lot.

I've noticed that where it concerns most Christians' interest in sexual sin, there is a tremendous bias toward "homosexuality"; in many that is almost exclusive.

The hypocrisy is ADDING more to the existing problems, than many are willing to admit. After all, admitting or recognizing such hypocrisy IS related to overall truthfulness (the spirit of truth) and/or overall credibility (in the social sense).

And after the kind of anti-gay PEOPLE things I saw expressed here and life in general, I admit that I don't see a human resolution to the arguments. I generally sensed this in my early teens, when I first questioned what homosexuality was.

Not all of the Christian opinions are hypocritical, but the attitudes of MANY (people) who present such opnions are far from what I would label "holy" or even "helpful" (edifying). The social aspects DO count, and homosexual people cannot be expected to be any more/less HUMAN than heterosexuals (who also face faults or traits which are a part of their very being). And while human sexuality is certainly not the sole thing that defines us, there should be a reasonable standard of COMPASSION and UNDERSTANDING where it concerns other people dealing with their human sexuality. Ignorance, oversimplification and abject cruelty, should not be the hallmarks of THE "Christian" opinions surrounding homosexuality. (And the Bible doesn't actually promote such things, as many tend to imply. A clearly secualrized attitude has invaded people attitudes, and what so many are viewing as "holy" behavior/thinking, is really justification to oppress others.)

Personally, because of DIFFICULT people who happen to be "Christian", I've learned to trust my conscience and God's/Jesus' influence upon it. I've met more than a few people, who leave little doubt that they wouldn't CARE if gays would just DIE tomorrow; it's almost frightening, how many people I've listened to who by their comments eliminate that doubt.

IF the homosexual agenda is about human beings seeking basic human rights and protections under the law, then I'm not shocked or concerned about it. If the homosexual agenda seeks to promote or convert others to a homosexual-orientation, I oppose it (and always have...even as a gay person).

As for the title of the topic and the question:

It is because the effect of scapegoating gay people, is beneficial to those who ARE NOT taking care of their own morality, to include the lack of values they instill in their own children. Instead of BEING an example for their children and others, they seek to place blame and make an example of OTHERS. That is easy, comfortable and without question, hypocritical.

It is easy to talk about homosexuality being "wrong" and teaching people to hate homosexuals (not the sin); and this is reflected in the tone of our society. If it were about SEXUAL SIN, then even "adulterers" and "fornicators" would feel their rights and status as human beings being pinched, by the hypocritical "Christian" attitudes which prevail.

And if this were really about just DOING the sex I'm inclined to do, I wouldn't argue a thing; been there, done that...even learned to control it over time (by God's grace). What I'm talking about is checking the hypocrisy imbedded inside of what can and should be a message of hope, reconciliation and possible change. Not looking for approval of homosexual acts, but acceptance of homosexual people.

If "love the sinner, hate the sin" really meant as much as it should/could, I'd still be silent about my homosexuality today, but after spending over 30 years of witnessing people say (promise) one thing and then doing another, I thought I'd try to inject another element of truth into the equation.

I trust Jesus...but not people (very much).

-Mel-

[AlAyeti]

Mel: "I trust Jesus...but not people (very much)."

Very good perspective. In fact the only one that will bring repentance.

Does the Bible not talk of the purpose a man leaves his parents and joins to his wife?

Male-female. Marriage. The intolerant people are those demanding to change marriage. The day same-sex marriage is legal, than Christianity is outlawed.

My position and presentation is harsh because the subject matter of wanton sexual licentiousness dictates a harsh environment. The woman thrown before Jesus was caught "in the very act" of adultery. Do you think Jesus would have had to endure savory language from the crowd?

He may not have judged her but He certainly defined her as a sinner that needed to change, go away and "sin no more." Homosexuals demand the right to be "born that way." Even though genitalia denotes an absolute sexual orientation.

That Christians do not trust and oppose the homosexualization of children in schools and churches is just as much of a civil right as those people wanting to get to our "Questoining Youth."

Every human being on Earth is, or was once, a "Questioning Youth."

So the agenda is to get to every single child.

The math is perfect.

As long as children get accurate scientific anatomy, physiology and biology taught side by side with the homosexual agenda, then the truth will indeed get to the masses.

Right now Pederasty is indeed the foundation of sexualizing our youth. Indeed that is a perfect definition of Pederasty and the means by which sexual agendas are powered in our schools.

Otherwise only reproductive biology and physiology accompanied by anatomy, is the only scientific view of sexuality. Everything else falls under deviant or aberrant behavior.

Again, a fact.

[melikio]

My position and presentation is harsh because the subject matter of wanton sexual licentiousness dictates a harsh environment. The woman thrown before Jesus was caught "in the very act" of adultery. Do you think Jesus would have had to endure savory language from the crowd?

I don't believe you, Al. Maybe Jesus will help me to someday, but this seems so insincere, that I HAVE to leave it to God. You are just freaking me out, period.

So the agenda is to get to every single child.

You may not be insane...but what is this supposed to really mean?

Never mind, Al.

Again, a fact.

Right.

-Mel-

[perfessor]

The homosexual agenda now with its "Questioning Youth" label, has finally declared war and their intentions on every family in America.

The day same-sex marriage is legal, than Christianity is outlawed.

So the (homosexual) agenda is to get to every single child.

Al, I'm worried about you, I really am.

par·a·noi·a
1. A psychotic disorder characterized by delusions of persecution with or without grandeur, often strenuously defended with apparent logic and reason.
2. Extreme, irrational distrust of others.

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[AlAyeti]

Empirical evidence sets me in a place far from paranoia.

Pederasts and Pedophiles act and talk exactly the way you present your accusation of my position. How pat to scare me. Or is it comfort and rest in helpful arms? "I'm worried about you." How many homosexual Priests used (and use) that line I wonder?

It would be paranoia if the legislation before Congress and every State in America did not prove my point as fact.

I really wish Sodom and Gomorrah were allegory or myth. But no way does observable facts bare that out.

The best place to hide for a pervert is in plain sight.

Preist, Boy Scout leader, Teacher . . . facts wipe away your silly attempts at ad hominem attack. When did you start your Psychology practice. Isn't that the only "science" that lends any support to the homosexual agenda?

Boo! Doesn't work with a parent protecting his children from sexual deviants, even if the ACLU wants to represent the perverts for free.

Rantings and fear tactics will not make those that know what's is up from going away.

Homosexuals are not the little pansies so characatured so ubiquitously. They are wolves whether in or out of sheeps clothing.

That is not paranoia, that is observable fact in any free newspaper in San Francisco or West Hollywood or Greenwhich Village. Oh yeah, and Boston.

Why do homosexuals need to force their lifestyle on Christians?

That is observable fact.

I am not Lot. I will not run away. Unless those two Angels tell me too!

[micatala]

The day same-sex marriage is legal, than Christianity is outlawed.

What???

I'm not following your logic here. If same-sex marriage were made legal, it would not stop people from legally practicing whatever religion they choose. You will be just as free to express your opinions then as now. This is, IMHO, an over the top and unsubstantiated assertion.

Why do homosexuals need to force their lifestyle on Christians?

That is observable fact.

Can you give me specifics, and not just another tirade about it being obvious. I honestly have never seen anything that I could describe as an organized effort to force Christians to engage in homosexual acts.

I have observed people advocating for acceptance of homosexuals and homosexual behavior as something that should not be made illegal, and even that should not be subject to abuse. I have observed efforts to see that people who identify themselves as homosexuals receive their same constitutional rights as everybody else.

I DON'T see this as forcing a homosexual lifestyle on anyone, anymore than I see people sharing their Christian views as forcing their Christian lifestyle on others.

I would have to say I have seen Christians, homosexuals, and all sorts of other advocates employ what I consider distasteful methods in their advocacy, in which I would include dishonesty, brow-beating, etc. My response to this is to point it at and advocate for more civilized discourse.

I would agree that their are individuals who may prey on children, whether it is heterosexual molestors or homosexual, or drug-dealers, or whatever. But this is not an organized effort or part of any 'homosexual agenda'. To smear all homosexuals, or liberals, or democrats by associating their views with these acts is, in my view, just that, an unfair and untrue smear.