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Baptist Church Excludes Democrats

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I don't get it. Didn't Jesus ply his trade among tax collectors, prostitutes, and other "sinners"?
East Waynesville Baptist asked nine members to leave. Now 40 more have left the church in protest. Former members say Pastor Chan Chandler gave them the ultimatum, saying if they didn't support George Bush, they should resign or repent. The minister declined an interview with News 13. But he did say "the actions were not politically motivated." There are questions about whether the bi-laws were followed when the members were thrown out.
So my question for debate: Should the East Waynesville Baptist Church lose its tax-exempt status?

I say they should, since the pastor has turned the church into an arm of the Republican party.
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What is the median price of a house in California?

Inner city slums do not count as affordable homes. Democrats do nothing for the poor but keep them in clean needles. I lived in LA and Pasadena/Glendale area is very expensive.

I have to run right now. I'll be back.

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AlAyeti wrote:Even Jesus told his disciples to arm themselves for defensive purposes. He knew that there is little time to get through to a perpetrator when they are driven to attack.

Being nice and accepting will get you or your children victimized.

Christians see that it is far from just two issues of abortion and same sex marriage that the Democrats are forcing on innocent people. Democrats waqnt to trake money from good and honest people and fund degenerate behavior WHILE outlawing churches from helping the poor and needy.

C'mon man, that is a fact.
Democrats do not want to outlaw churches. That is a ridiculous assertion. Being "nice and accepting" is the job of government, we know that churches won't do that. It would put too much of a strain on religious doctrine to force people to be "nice," I realize that. As soon as the Republicans realize that also, maybe they will allow government to do government's work and religion to do religion's work.
AlAyeti wrote:The Faith Based initiative IS wonderful and is helping the poor. But, the poor are learning about absolutes in the process. This infuriates the Neo-Liberals that want chaos called "diversity." There is little defense against the Marxism promoted as Democrat position any longer. Marxism is intolerable to Christians.
If Democrats are Marxists, then you must think Republicans are Fascists. I can't go with you there. We're all Americans. But life without taxes is not a right, it's a privilege. And now that the government is running itself into debt because fewer taxes are paid, the Republicans have managed to help only the privileged. The Faith-Based Initiative was and is a smokescreen designed to slough off the government's responsibility for the poor so that tax cuts would go down smoother in Congress. The fact that the First Amendment doesn't mean anything anymore doesn't appear to be an issue.

Let me ask you something, AlAyeti, do you know who holds the securities of the U.S. government's debt? I'll give you a hint, China holds one-fourth of it. Because conservative Americans no longer wish to claim ownership of their country through taxes (just the government through bribes), they have allowed the Chinese to own the lion's share of the nation's securities. That must be very comforting knowing that attaching themselves to big-business Republicans means getting in bed with the largest Marxist nation on earth.
AlAyeti wrote:If Democrats would remove the anti-American parasites that pretend to be honestwhile atthe same time attacking morality inder the guise of relativism, than almost every Christian, myself included would tell the big business Republicans to take a hike.
Those parasites you are talking about, they wouldn't be Conservative Republicans, would they? They are attacking morality at every turn, allowing marketers to sell sex to our youth in the guise of Hello Kitty and Cheetos. Have you seen a department store clothing ad for children? Prurient nonsense. And I would imagine that treating different people differently would be classified as relativism, wouldn't you?

Democrats are no different than Republicans. Democrats are just honest about it. I didn't realize that Christians valued hypocrisy.
AlAyeti wrote:But to side with the Democrats on anything means to have to be victimized by their parasitical organizations that rule from the dark shadows and who march in the streets.

The Pastor was doing what was the best for his flock. Removing parasites from the body is healthy indeed. But first you have to identify the parasites.

Forgive them yes! and ask them to leave. They are not going to repent. There is no forgetting what Democrats really stand for. It is plain to see in what our children bring home from school.

And it is not in accord with being a Christian.
I agree, Christians should not get A's, they should all get Gentleman C's, like our president. Those A students are just trouble. Children should all be left to their own devices so that we can pigeonhole them like the church says we should. Why should we help them out of crushing poverty just because their parents are crackheads -- and they're all crackheads, aren't they? They won't amount to anything. And we should teach them that they won't amount to anything by giving them a choice: we either ignore them or demand that they accept an inherently flawed belief system that answers their questions in the same way that their politicians do -- with empty platitudes and do-it-yourself interpretive mind control (Have a cookie!).

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Such a good post except your view of what churches CAN allow within the body of believers. Very bigoted. Very ignorant.

I think you need to know that I compared Republicans to Gomorrah and Democrats to Sodom on another thread.

I'm not a Republican.

I'll never be a Democrat.

Unless they de-louse.

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AlAyeti wrote:I think you need to know that I compared Republicans to Gomorrah and Democrats to Sodom on another thread.

I'm not a Republican.

I'll never be a Democrat.

Unless they de-louse.
Understood. Believe me. My point was not that you were more of a Republican or a Democrat, just that it was unreasonable to favor one or disfavor one over the other if what you're going for is protecting your flock from iniquity. What I find hypocritical is singling out one or two issues and basing an expulsion of an entire group on those. It's a little like throwing the expired milk out of the fridge while choosing to keep the rancid meat.

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Fair enough, but I see almost complete hypocrisy in Democrats. They enslave the poor with delusions of socialism. They addict the addicted with clean-needle programs. They destroy the family by redefining marriage, they murder tens of millions of children with abortion for convenience and they ignore the wanton destruction of our children (the ones lucky enough to get born) by Liberal programs of permissive relativism.

Democrats heavily tax the honest to pay for the bills of the dishonest.

The Republicans vocally and byactions, promote personal responsibility and personal accountability and encourage (by laws) everyone to become independently wealthy. They oppose socialism and the communism completely embraced by Democrat-supporting unions (I'm in one).
They oppose killing children by the murder of abortion. They know what marriage means to "family" and what marriage has always meant. They oppose the agenda of sexualizing our children in schools.

They do not want anyone taxed to support licentiousness.


I agree with what the Pastor did.

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You give us a list of democrat sins, while giving us only republican virtues. You place all the faults of this nation squarely on the lap of the democrats, while holding up the republicans as positive machines of change. You seem to support every single one of the republican action items.
They know what marriage means to "family" and what marriage has always meant.
They oppose killing children by the murder of abortion.
You then continuously slander democrats and liberals, and use the word liberal as if it was a dirty word. If I had to pick the most extreme conservative republican on this board, I would finger you and only you.

This page alone offers many examples of such.
The Pastor was doing what was the best for his flock. Removing parasites from the body is healthy indeed. But first you have to identify the parasites.
I'm sorry, but in what ways aren't you a republican?
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AlAyeti wrote:Fair enough, but I see almost complete hypocrisy in Democrats.
And I see almost complete hypocricy in republicans. So? Are we going to fight over personal opinions?
They enslave the poor with delusions of socialism.
While republicans enslave them through imprisonment.
They addict the addicted with clean-needle programs.
An absurdly false claim showing lack of good faith in your argument.
They destroy the family by redefining marriage,
That's the same argument made half a century when interracial marriages were being pushed. Nice going there.
they murder tens of millions of children with abortion for convenience
That's an ignorant claim. "Murder" is the illegal killing of a person, two points of which don't fit abortion, which by the way ihas nothing to do with "children" other than in the overheated imagination of prolife revisionist hyperbole.
and they ignore the wanton destruction of our children (the ones lucky enough to get born) by Liberal programs of permissive relativism.
Ah, the kids left to fend in poverty because republicans care so little for "born" children that they leave them to poverty with no funding or support, fully 1/4th of all kids in the US. Yes, such caring family values. Guess it is more important for bush to start a war so his firneds at haliburton can get no-bid contracts and war-profiterring, squandering more than 1600 of America's finest in the corporate profit war.
Democrats heavily tax the honest to pay for the bills of the dishonest.
The dishonest being the friends of the republicans, the corporate bigwigs. And republicans of course borrow through massive defisit spending, instead taxing our children (another example of republicans completely disregarding kids)

As for your false list of republican depited claims of virtue, it merely shows that your one-sided argument is without integrity.

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AlAyeti wrote: They addict the addicted with clean-needle programs.
"Mommy, when I grow up, I wanna be a drug addict cuz I get free needles!"

Not buying it? Me neither.
They destroy the family by redefining marriage,
Yes, it would perhaps be better to return to the original definition of marriage:

A financial transaction between a potential groom and the protential bride's father.

That will make the world a better place for us all!

*boom*

Oops, my sarcasmometer just broke.
The Republicans vocally and byactions, promote personal responsibility and personal accountability
Yup, the people in charge of Enron sure know about personal responsibility and accountability after the Republicans made them pay off all the employees who lost a huge amount of savings and pensions after the company collapsed before even seeing a penny of their buyout packages.

Oh wait, you were talking about THIS universe? Nevermind then...
and encourage (by laws) everyone to become independently wealthy.
Not everyone, just the people at top.
They oppose socialism and the communism completely embraced by Democrat-supporting unions (I'm in one).
Some principled stand there I must say.
They oppose killing children by the murder of abortion.
They prefer killing children by sending them off to war. It's far away and they can spin it for a good cause and thus support the Reich, I mean, the current administration.
They know what marriage means to "family" and what marriage has always meant.
See above.
They do not want anyone taxed to support licentiousness.
No, its easier to run up the national debt than to actually *gasp* tax people.
I agree with what the Pastor did.
I honestly think he should be consistant and kick both Republicans and Democrats out of his Church. In fact, I would support all churches in the US doing that as well. If they aren't lockstep with church teachings then the church shouldn't be appropriating money from them.


Oh, and by the way, I'm still waiting for a response from you on something.
AlAyeti wrote:Democrats want to trake money from good and honest people and fund degenerate behavior WHILE outlawing churches from helping the poor and needy.

C'mon man, that is a fact.

Me: Really? Ok I call put up or shut up.

Name one law or one case ruling that makes it illegal for churches to help the poor. Heck, the Quaker meeting I went to as a kid did plenty to help the poor, yet I never saw a cease and desist notice.

Please be honest and either present a direct reference to a law or case ruling or publically admit that you were incorrect on this issue. Do try to save some face at least.
Have you found a law or a case ruling yet? Are you intellectually honest enough to admit that you haven't if you haven't?
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Insult and sarcasm directed at "me" in a personal way. Hmm.

Your sarcasm denotes a weak wit.

Though I find it laughable coming literally from a monkey.

Why do we have to banter when it is Christians time and time again that are outlawed coast to coast. The Boy Scouts not wanting homosexuals to be off far away in the mountains with "Questioning Youth" is attacked because they are "perceived" as Christian. We need to debate that? If they were Jews, Muslims or Sikh's, the ACLU would be no where to be found.

Try teaching anything but Darwinistic Evolution in our schools and see if the law will not be used to silence the blashphemer!

The Ten Commandments "Litigated" and ousted is an attack on only the Christians by a judge passing a law, or, better yet making one up to discriminate against only Christians. There is no separation of church and state in the Constitution. Hanging the Ten Commandments on the wall of a city building does not a temple make.

Where does it say that the teachings of Krishna cannot hang on a court house wall?

Who are you kidding sarcasmo? The ACLU and the Democrats would fight tooth and nail for that. But passing laws against Christians being able to speak in public or schools? George Soros has an open bank account for the ACLU and Democrats to hammer new laws into place.

It is OK to teach children about giving h--d the proper way in school but teaching them abstinence is "religious dogma!"

Whose religion? The Christians.

The Nativity? Christian. Out "lawed" in many towns and schools while Halloween is rejoiced over.

Modern Hate Crime legislation by definition silences one religion only. It illegalizes Christianity. You cannot support sexual perversion as a civil right and then say that those that denigrate and discriminate against sexual perversion and those that willingly practice it , is or are, allowed and allowable. Christians must shut-up by law.

You may be goading me to show when Christians were put into jail here in the good ol' USA.

Tic, tic, tic, tic, tic, tic.

Black-White male-female unions can find empirical scientific proof for the coupling being "natural." Homosexuality finds every branch of physical science squarely in opposition. Genitalia denotes sexual orientation.

African-Americans are furious that sexual perversion is given equal definition to slaves, and non-human status. That, by the way, Darwin, (evolution) and his disciples truly believed.

Same-sex sex, is nonsense in perfect definition of non sense. Slavery and race discrimination is provably wrong. And the Christians fough to free humans from the bonds of slaves.

Read Lincoln's second inaugural speech. An excellent example of Christians doing something against what is wrong and fighting for what is right. And it was a "Christian thing." Read what Abe had to say on it.

Christians overwhelmingly know what sexuality is all about! People freely choosing to do things to each other is not the same thing as enslaving a non-willing person.

I'll leave out the yuck-factor.

While you are evolving into a higher chimp or whatever non- knuckledragger you look forward to your offspring being, sperm and ovum will get you progeny there. Unless you're "a" homosexual. Then, offspring wouldn't enter your oriented mind.

Sorry to throw fact water on your sarcasmo laugh-parade.
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Oh,

yeah.

I listed what Democrats and Republicans do.

Facts.

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