There is no rational reason to stop same sex marriage

[Evales]

It's hard for me to view homosexuality as that bad of a thing if someone is born to be that way. I could not judge them against it if they were born that way.

Ok, but what if it turns out to be entirely a matter of choice? Would you judge them against it then? If so, what harm, to others or themselves, would you invoke?

Homosexuality

Point 1) If biological it is something that God created and thus we should not be punished for it since it is natural.

Point 2) That being even if it is still a sin (or not biological) the people who commit acts of homosexuality are fully allowed (by God) to commit as many sins as they like. God gave us the freedom of choice to commit sins or to chose to follow him how we like.

Point 3) Also since not everyone believes there is an afterlife we have no reason to stop them from committing these "sins" if they do not hurt anyone. The only person they hurt is themselves (according to theists) because they will then go to Hell, a place that they do not even believe exists.


There is no rational reason for us to stop same sex marriage.
Throughout history ignorant and oppressive people have stopped certain minorities from gaining certain rights but we see a trend that these minorities are gradually allowed these rights.

To be honest I'm surprised we still oppress homosexuals and bisexuals. How archaic.

[Sjoerd]

This poll result is getting out of touch with reality. Even in the Netherlands, gay marriage wouldn't be supported by 93 % of the population. Most of the people here are from the US, and I can hardly believe that this is a representative result for the average population there. [flame] Cmon guys and girls, show that you are no sissies! You are Americans! Homophobes! Rednecks! Conservatives! Just look at the Borat movie, you are trying to get gay people executed by cowboy execution squad!
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Okay, don't take the last part too seriously, but you know what I mean. Even if everyone here is a liberal, someone should take the role of devil's advocate and try to argue for the other side.

(And for the record, I am supporting gay marriage)

[Fallibleone]

I know it's not really all that much 'fun' when most people agree on something, but you've got to admit it's heartening. I voted 'yes' too, but then I'm one of your secular, liberal (spit - it's a swear word now, apparently) Limeys. I am, however, slightly puzzled by the lack of 'nay' votes, given the somewhat unforgiving nature of many of the comments on homosexuality in other threads.

[Easyrider]

It's hard for me to view homosexuality as that bad of a thing if someone is born to be that way. I could not judge them against it if they were born that way.

Ok, but what if it turns out to be entirely a matter of choice? Would you judge them against it then? If so, what harm, to others or themselves, would you invoke?

Homosexuality

Point 1) If biological it is something that God created and thus we should not be punished for it since it is natural.

Many gays claim God created them that way. Where's the evidence for that? Why wouldn't it be genetic abnormalities or chemical abnormalities in the womb?

Gay sex is a sin. Sin of any kind is an affront to God and can bring God's disfavor on men and nations.

[Sjoerd]

I know it's not really all that much 'fun' when most people agree on something, but you've got to admit it's heartening. I voted 'yes' too, but then I'm one of your secular, liberal (spit - it's a swear word now, apparently) Limeys. I am, however, slightly puzzled by the lack of 'nay' votes, given the somewhat unforgiving nature of many of the comments on homosexuality in other threads.

Normally I would find it heartening too, but there are just too many homophobes in the world, it gives me bit of an ivory tower feeling to see this poll result.
Btw, if it interests you, "liberal" in the Netherlands is no swear word, it just means "right-wing", and even right-wing Dutch liberals are much more left-wing than US Democrats.

[Fallibleone]

Gay sex is a sin. Sin of any kind is an affront to God and can bring God's disfavor on men and nations.

Please provide evidence for your claim.

[OnceConvinced]

OK, I'll come out into the open and say I voted "no". To me marriage is meant to be between a male and a female. I admit I am a bit of a traditionalist when it comes to things like this and yeah, there may be still be a small portion of homophobia involved and sure, there may be no real good reason to be against gay marriages, but then that's just my feeling on it.

[Fallibleone]

I know it's not really all that much 'fun' when most people agree on something, but you've got to admit it's heartening. I voted 'yes' too, but then I'm one of your secular, liberal (spit - it's a swear word now, apparently) Limeys. I am, however, slightly puzzled by the lack of 'nay' votes, given the somewhat unforgiving nature of many of the comments on homosexuality in other threads.

Normally I would find it heartening too, but there are just too many homophobes in the world, it gives me bit of an ivory tower feeling to see this poll result.
Btw, if it interests you, "liberal" in the Netherlands is no swear word, it just means "right-wing", and even right-wing Dutch liberals are much more left-wing than US Democrats.

I was being rather tongue-in-cheak with the 'liberal' is a swear word comment, but I am fascinated to learn that it means 'right-wing' in some places. I feel the need to clarify that I am not right-wing. Phew! That's better.

[Easyrider]

Gay sex is a sin. Sin of any kind is an affront to God and can bring God's disfavor on men and nations.

Please provide evidence for your claim.

Read the Bible. You can start with Leviticus 18:22; Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27; I Corinthians 6:9-10, Jude 7, etc.

[Fallibleone]

So I see that what you really meant to say was that according to the Bible, gay sex is a sin and that sin of any kind is an affront to God and can bring God's disfavour on men and nations. That was not clear. Your statement seemed to suggest that this was an objective truth which could be substantiated.

[Easyrider]

So I see that what you really meant to say was that according to the Bible, gay sex is a sin and that sin of any kind is an affront to God and can bring God's disfavour on men and nations. That was not clear. Your statement seemed to suggest that this was an objective truth which could be substantiated.

Thank you for the clarification. I didn't mean to be flippant.