Death penalty and espionage

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Death penalty and espionage

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We know that the conservatives here, especially the religious conservatives, favor the death penalty very much. And we know that they alos take the GWOT (Global War against Terrorism) seriously.

So, with that in mind, if Rove and Libby are indicted for leaking the identity of a CIA agent, shouldn't they be charged with espionage? During wartime, isn't the penalty for that death?

OK, innocent until proven guilty and all that. But I mean, the media are presenting this as a sort of legal technicality or the usual political rough-and-tumble.

But let's be clear about this. They were US officials, and as their official duties had access to much classified information. They were also acting as agents for a foreign body, namely the government now in power in Iraq. That's espionage, even if they believed what they were doing was in the interests of the US as well as the Iraqi political groups they were working for.

Are conservatives afraid or unwilling to employ their own draconian policies towards their own people?

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By the way, I don't remember Jesus saying anything about the death penalty. Which gospel is it in?
1 Thessalonians 5:15
Make sure that no one ever pays back one wrong with another wrong.

Romans 12:19
Don't take revenge, dear friends. Instead, let God's anger take care of it. After all, Scripture says, "I alone have the right to take revenge. I will pay back, says the Lord."



I can't comprehend how any God-fearing Christian could support the death penalty. Jesus never advocated revenge. "He who is sinless should cast the first stone" is a perfect example, I would say. The woman committed a crime supposedly deserving of death, yet Jesus let her live. It just does not get any clearer than that.

I feel it should come to no one's surprise that Rove and Libby will recieve no greater punishment then "don't do that again". The rich, famous, and powerful always get free passes. Ask OJ, he knows all about it.

"Justice for all"? Give me a break. Bill Gates could set the White House on fire and get off.


I have long wondered what it is like to live in a democracy.

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Ask OJ, he knows all about it.
Quibble: OJ was innocent.

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PP wrote:
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By the way, I don't remember Jesus saying anything about the death penalty. Which gospel is it in?
1 Thessalonians 5:15
Make sure that no one ever pays back one wrong with another wrong.

Romans 12:19
Don't take revenge, dear friends. Instead, let God's anger take care of it. After all, Scripture says, "I alone have the right to take revenge. I will pay back, says the Lord."



I can't comprehend how any God-fearing Christian could support the death penalty. Jesus never advocated revenge. "He who is sinless should cast the first stone" is a perfect example, I would say. The woman committed a crime supposedly deserving of death, yet Jesus let her live. It just does not get any clearer than that.
I can only say amen! In putting people to death, especially when there are so many examples of wrongful convictions in death penalty cases, we commit a grave injustice, and in my view, do essentially nothing to deter crime.
I feel it should come to no one's surprise that Rove and Libby will recieve no greater punishment then "don't do that again". The rich, famous, and powerful always get free passes. Ask OJ, he knows all about it.

"Justice for all"? Give me a break. Bill Gates could set the White House on fire and get off.
Probably true. I await with eager anticipation what will happen to Ken Lay and company as well.

I have long wondered what it is like to live in a democracy.
Well, the U.S. has its many faults, but it could be much worse. :)

Just as one might do with a wayward child, we should consistently and vigorously speak truth and correction in an effort to right the wrongs of our country, and the world at large.

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