No Christians???

[ChristianGuy]

After sneaking about the "A-Room" I stumbled upon a recent topic of theirs. They actually think that there are too few Christians on this forum apparently. They are disapointed because they are "running the Christians off." This troubled me and so I took a look at the statistics. The top usergroup is the Christian Usergroup, with 258 members. Atheist are actually in 2nd place with 198. The troubling part is that there are like 5 non-theist post for every 1 theist post. I would like to encourage all of you to not be afraid to speak the truth. Even if you feel you have no proof, if you really want proof, God will give it to you. ASK, SEEK, KNOCK.

[myth-one.com]

Everyone exposed to a Bible and other first century/early second century writings such as 1Clement, Josephus, Tacitus, etc.

What about the untold masses the above does not include? Are they unjustly condemned?

The evidence most of us act on is what we were taught by family members, pastors, priests, evangelists, etc. We assume what we are taught is validated by the scriptures.

That's foolish.

Yes, foolish and true.

Who among us can possibly defend some of the ridiculous beliefs of "Christianity" over the years?

Which ridiculous beliefs would those be?

Start with ridiculous belief number one:

How can God be Love if the system He designed condemns nonbelievers to eternal suffering in the fires of hell?

Hmmm. Your last 32 consecutive posts have been in the Holy Huddle room arguing with Christians. Mostly in threads you have started. Strange.

Hey, here is where the problems lie.

[otseng]

Hmmm. Your last 32 consecutive posts have been in the Holy Huddle room arguing with Christians. Mostly in threads you have started. Strange.

Hey, here is where the problems lie.

Myth-one, what exactly do you mean by "here is where the problems lie"? In the fact that you are arguing with Christians?

[ChristianGuy]

I think maybe you are in the wrong subforum...? You can argue with the Christians in the Christianity/Apologetics area.

[myth-one.com]

Myth-one, what exactly do you mean by "here is where the problems lie"? In the fact that you are arguing with Christians?

It is always a mistake to paint everyone with the same paint brush, but speaking generally about Christianity:

There is no major difference between any of the largest Christian denominations' basic beliefs. These common erroneous beliefs are:

1) Man is born as an immortal soul living within a physical body.

2) If man accepts Jesus as his Savior prior to his death, his soul immediately goes to heaven for eternity when his physical body dies.

3) If man does not accept Jesus as his Savior, his soul immediately goes to hell for eternity when his physical body dies.

4) At the resurrection, man's eternal soul is merged back with his resurrected eternal physical body.

Every belief following the first is a direct result of the first false belief, man's immortality! That is, if man lives forever, he must reside somewhere. Therefore, beliefs two and three assign homes to man's immortal soul. Christian theologians assign heaven as the eternal home of those who believe in Jesus Christ, while condemning all others to eternal suffering in hell. Belief four reunites the soul with an incorruptible physical body at the resurrection. This physical body can suffer pain but never die. Now nonbelievers can experience excruciating pain every second for eternity. Ah, that is now a complete and perfect system!

From my history, this defines beliefs held by Catholics and Protestants. That is, it is a basic flaw of Christianity, and the "Holy Huddle Room" is exclusive to Christians. I cannot imagine atheists caring about a Christian problem. It should be debatted among Christians.

Obvious questions arise due to the above theology. How does it benefit God for the majority of mankind to burn eternally in the fires of hell? How does this equate with "God is Love"? Does God truly love us or hate us? Do these false teachings drive more people away from the church than are saved by the church? The true good news of Christianity can be found in the scriptures as pointed out by Goose. Most of us do believe what we have been taught, not what is written in the scriptures, which state that the unsaved perish.

Thus Christianity, a religion of love and forgivness, has been transformed into a religion of unnecessary fear and worry due to the above false theology! Who planted this seed of mankind's immortality?

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die. (Genesis 3:4)

I would like to encourage all of you to not be afraid to speak the truth.

I agree! I'm not afraid to speak the truth. In fact, the truth has set me free from worry, fear, and misery:

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

[otseng]

From my history, this defines beliefs held by Catholics and Protestants. That is, it is a basic flaw of Christianity, and the "Holy Huddle Room" is exclusive to Christians. I cannot imagine atheists caring about a Christian problem. It should be debatted among Christians.

ChristianGuy is correct. The HHR is not a place to debate. It should be done in an appropriate debate subforum.

[Vanguard]

After sneaking about the "A-Room" I stumbled upon a recent topic of theirs. They actually think that there are too few Christians on this forum apparently. They are disapointed because they are "running the Christians off." This troubled me and so I took a look at the statistics. The top usergroup is the Christian Usergroup, with 258 members. Atheist are actually in 2nd place with 198. The troubling part is that there are like 5 non-theist post for every 1 theist post. I would like to encourage all of you to not be afraid to speak the truth. Even if you feel you have no proof, if you really want proof, God will give it to you. ASK, SEEK, KNOCK.

As for me, it has nothing to do with fear but rather recognizing most of the challenges coming from non-believers are lackluster. I will enter in on the occasion when there appears an opportunity to challenge their thinking on "what is logical" or "what one can conclude based on certain evidence" - you know, the points they think they have the market on. I would say the same thing for the Christian community also though I less frequently have an opportunity to enter debate against fellow-believers. I am currently involved in one such exchange with a non-believer. He seems the sharp debater but has thus far been unable to pose an argument that sways me. This may be due to my stubbornness or it may be because he has only argued in warm markets or against unworthy opponents and is unable to make his case. Ironically, this is the same argument they would accuse the believer commmunity of doing.

[joer]

Hey CristianGuy I'm glad you are doing well! Stay active and prolific. I search for threads where there's more of a cooperative effort to find truth by those involved christian or otherwise. I try to be supportive of Christians. But if I see them treating athiests in an unchristlike fashion, I can't support that. Sometimes the non-believers can be tough and test our patience, but I believe it to be in Christ's interest to treat them as our brothers and sisters in GOD because wether they know it or not that's what they are IMHO.

BUT I wished you well Christianguy when I first met you. And I do so again. Also I believe there's a support thread here where we can help each other. If you post in any thread here that I've posted in, I'd be glad to join you on any thread you feel outnumbered on. I've felt that way a lot of times. We can come here and plan strategy with others. Our efforts serve us in spiritual growth as much or more than it serves them. We don't do it because it will chnage them. We do it because it is the right thing for us to do.

I go and come back after my spiritual batteries are rechnaged. And not to battle and win but to LOVE and win. If we Love our non-beliver brothers and sisters it won't be lost on them. If we battle them we just strenghthen their resistance to a God who loves them as much as he Loves us.
IMHO.

Be well my christian brothers and sisters and serve our non-believing brethren well. God Bless and be with and guide us ALL.

Religious Cooperation

Someday religionists will get together and actually effect cooperation on the basis of unity of ideals and purposes rather than attempting to do so on the basis of psychological opinions and theological beliefs.

[ChristianGuy]

thanks a lot for the support, Joer. If you ever want help in a debate, just let me know.

[joer]

thanks a lot for the support, Joer. If you ever want help in a debate, just let me know.

Just give me "shout out" brother. A PM with work good for privacy if necessary.

You may have noticed there are often 4 or 5 non-believers attacking a single Christian’s position at the same time. Often times the Christian does very well. So I won't jump in unless asked.

Sometimes "No Help" may be better than help that distracts from the points you are trying to make.

PM me, I'll give you my perspective on what ever the discussion (debate) is about and you decide if it will do any good for you.

Peace my friend. God be with you always!

[joer]

There may be some material a believer could use on this site at this link.

Logical belief in God--a minimal set of two axioms
Spirituality and God