Israel at War with Hamas October 7, 2023

[Diogenes]

There is no question this was a horrific attack by Hamas on Israel that also endangers Palestinians.
To what extent are attacks like this inevitable, considering the history of Israel?

Isn't this just another example of how religious conflict breeds violence?
or
Is it inevitable that strongly held beliefs will always ignite the passions of some?

Perhaps the difference with religions that claim authority from God is that they inspire absolute beliefs, an absolute conviction they are 'right' and therefore anything is justifiable... including following God's orders to kill your own son.

Palestinian land stolen in 1948, more in 1967, then more every day in the West Bank makes acts of terrorism inevitable. Then Netanyahu put a right wing criminal in charge of the 'Ministry of Justice,' and... BIG SURPRISE! ... another war.
"If I go the to write indictment number one, it would go to Israel's Justice Minister YARIV LEVIN. He is the man who drove this insane, corrupt, dishonest effort to basically take over the power of the Supreme Court. With Netanyahu's help, he fractured Israel. He fractured Israeli society. He fractured the Israeli ministry, the military. He fractured the Israeli air force...."
__ Tom Friedman

https://www.rawstory.com/tom-friedman-i ... A-TIAtHv6Y

[Donray]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #80]

If they're terrorists, then they're not Muslims even if they think they are.

So according to you no terrorist is Muslim. What about the government that was elected in Gaza are none of them Muslim? What about all the people that support Hamas? Are any of them Muslim?
Could you define what determine a MUSLIM. Do Muslims force woman on how to dress? Are any of the government in IRAQ Muslim?

I want to hear your definition of a MUSLIM.

Every country has a right to protect its citizens from any attacks, but no country has a right to control another country with an authoritarian occupation.

Please explain how Iseral is in control of GAZA? Please explain how many Iseral troops were couponing GAZA before the oct 7th attack on ISEARL? OR like you explained in a previous post that HAMAS is the authoritarian occupier of Palestine? Also, you do know that GAZA is not a county.

I have asked several times what should ISeal have done after the OCT 7the attack by Palestine people to ensure that they cannot do so in the future. Please respond and not bring up anything before 10/7/2023.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Donray in post #81

So according to you no terrorist is Muslim. What about the government that was elected in Gaza are none of them Muslim? What about all the people that support Hamas? Are any of them Muslim?
Could you define what determine a MUSLIM. Do Muslims force woman on how to dress? Are any of the government in IRAQ Muslim?

I want to hear your definition of a MUSLIM.

Muslim:
an adherent of Islam

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Muslim

Please explain how Iseral is in control of GAZA?

When you can cut off people's supply of water, electricity and fuel, you control them.

"Israels closure policy blocks most Gaza residents from going to the West Bank, preventing professionals, artists, athletes, students, and others from pursuing opportunities within Palestine and from traveling abroad via Israel, restricting their rights to work and an education."

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/14/gaz ... -prison-15

I have asked several times what should ISeal have done after the OCT 7the attack by Palestine people to ensure that they cannot do so in the future. Please respond and not bring up anything before 10/7/2023.

Nothing before 10/7? Okay.

Israel should have strengthened its own borders.

[Donray]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #82]

Are you just ignorant or stupid? You said the terrorist were Muslims and yet by your definition the terrorists were Muslim. All the Muslims terrorists are "an adherent of Islam. Here I thought you maybe define a Muslim as non-terrorists or something.

You did not understand I said what Iseral should have done after the 10/7 Muslim attack. You again responded with they should have done. So, can you answer or not?




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[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Donray in post #83

You said the terrorist were Muslims and yet by your definition the terrorists were Muslim.

You said the terrorists were Muslims. I said they were not Muslims.

All the Muslims terrorists are "an adherent of Islam. Here I thought you maybe define a Muslim as non-terrorists or something.

"Non-terrorists" is exactly how I define Muslims.

"Terrorists" is how I define terrorists.

If you were asked why Christians used to dress up in white robes and lynch former slaves, how would you answer?

You did not understand I said what Iseral should have done after the 10/7 Muslim attack. You again responded with they should have done. So, can you answer or not?

I did understand, and I did answer. After they were attacked on 10/7, they should have strengthened their border so it won't happen again.

[Donray]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #84]

Christians are Christians. If they commit a crime and say they are Christians, they are Christians. And Muslims are terrorists. You seem to like Muslims that kill babies with bombs. Is that why you are defending them?

So if tell me why GAZA doesn't defend its borders? They would put up a wall all around GAZA correct?

So, tell me exactly what Iseral should do to stop all further rocket and suicide bombers that will ensure no Iseral citizen will be killed. Should that create a dead zone for 20 miles outside their borders? Plant a lot of mines say for a mile inside GAZA? Please be exact and make sure it is cost effective and will stop and Iseral citizen from be killed by a Palestine person.

[kjw47]

There is no question this was a horrific attack by Hamas on Israel that also endangers Palestinians.
To what extent are attacks like this inevitable, considering the history of Israel?

Isn't this just another example of how religious conflict breeds violence?
or
Is it inevitable that strongly held beliefs will always ignite the passions of some?

Perhaps the difference with religions that claim authority from God is that they inspire absolute beliefs, an absolute conviction they are 'right' and therefore anything is justifiable... including following God's orders to kill your own son.

Palestinian land stolen in 1948, more in 1967, then more every day in the West Bank makes acts of terrorism inevitable. Then Netanyahu put a right wing criminal in charge of the 'Ministry of Justice,' and... BIG SURPRISE! ... another war.
"If I go the to write indictment number one, it would go to Israel's Justice Minister YARIV LEVIN. He is the man who drove this insane, corrupt, dishonest effort to basically take over the power of the Supreme Court. With Netanyahu's help, he fractured Israel. He fractured Israeli society. He fractured the Israeli ministry, the military. He fractured the Israeli air force...."
__ Tom Friedman

https://www.rawstory.com/tom-friedman-i ... A-TIAtHv6Y

I believe this war will cause the destruction of Babylon the great( worldwide false religions) which triggers the tribulation, then Armageddon. Gods kingdom rule takes over.

[otseng]

And Muslims are terrorists.

Are you just ignorant or stupid

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[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Donray in post #85

You seem to like Muslims that kill babies with bombs.

You seem to like hurling hysterical accusations more than thinking about what others are saying.

So if tell me why GAZA doesn't defend its borders? They would put up a wall all around GAZA correct?

How can Gaza defend its borders when It's completely blockaded?

So, tell me exactly what Iseral should do to stop all further rocket and suicide bombers that will ensure no Iseral citizen will be killed.

Suicide bombers could be stopped by the strengthening of borders I mentioned earlier. As for rocket attacks, rockets have to be launched from rocket launchers and rocket launchers have to be in the open to be used. When they're in the open, they can be tracked from the air or by satellite. Thus it makes more sense, strategically and morally, to target Hamas weapons rather than trying to take out Hamas leaders on the questionable premise that they're hiding in a particular group of defenseless Palestinians.

[Donray]

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So, are these Muslims or terrorist pretending to be Muslims?

You are saying that Iseral does have the right to bomb rocket launches even if they are next to a hospital?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Donray in post #89

So, are these Muslims or terrorist pretending to be Muslims?

These are people with no power who have suffered oppression.

If our foreign policy makes people hate us that much, maybe we should be taking a serious look at our foreign policy.

You are saying that Iseral does have the right to bomb rocket launches even if they are next to a hospital?

The idea should be to hit the rocket launcher before it's positioned next to a hospital.